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LEAN cycle - what to do?

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2009/07/15 11:40:51 (permalink)

LEAN cycle - what to do?

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OKay guys, I'm 15 stone, holding a bit of fat but can JUST see outline abs in the right light, right direction, if you squint hard. So myplan is to cut for a bit. Typical lifts are squat 260kg, bench 165kg, dead 320kg (raw). 5'8". Training 4 years.
 
Come off cycle a while ago (tren ace, test prop), done PCT, feel recovered. Was planning on staying off for few more months. But tempted to go back on in about 6 weeks.
 
What I want from cycle
 
Cut up, strength increase, maintain muscle mass. Diet will be of cutting/lean bulk with carb cycling. Prefer injectables. Ideally keep it simple (1-2 meds)
 
What I don't want from cycle
 
Stay lean. I can't put on ANY water as I am trying to improve my fighting (Judo, MMA) and cardio. I put on water easily, even 150mg test prop and 100mg tren ace EoD makes me put on water, even if I take Arimidex etc. Also don't want to have a low sex dirve. Also don't want gyno. Tren gets me bad, even with tamoxifen, arimidex, letro, proviron.
 
So once again
 
In summary, a mild strength cycle that will make me put on no water, and not too heavy on gyno. I'd rather make lean gains and keep cutting.
 
Tried before
 
Deca, dbol, test enan, test prop, tren enan, tren ace, winny oral, var
 
I was thinking
 
HGH (I know some people take this without test) - anyone done this and felt something?
 
injectable winny - this is probably favorite
 
So, what to take and what dose?
 
What do I take. What do 'fighters' usually take?
 
Thanks guys

Raw dead Lift 320kg
Raw bench 171kg
Shirted bench 200kg
Amateur cage fighter @ 95 - 105kg
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    Valley Fitness
    MJH
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    Re:LEAN cycle - what to do? 2009/07/15 12:08:31 (permalink)
    Although you said injectables what about tbol? Strength & lean gains
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    *The_West*
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    Re:LEAN cycle - what to do? 2009/07/15 12:40:54 (permalink)
    i never used to have a problem with water on test p, although everyone is different. have you tried looking at your sodium intake, increasing water intake, what dose of adex did you try. when i used to kickbox my meds of choice were test p/anavar. perfect for cutting, and keeping (if not gaining a little) strength while cutting.
    maybe drop the dose to 100mg eod?

    tbh with all your requirements, that pretty much leaves you with winny inj, which when i tried it, i could hardly train kickboxing due to the sore joints.

    calm down, its life, mate, its only a game
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    Re:LEAN cycle - what to do? 2009/07/15 13:58:47 (permalink)
    i would probably go for,

    test prop 100mg eod
    masteron 100mg eod
    var 60-100mg ed

    With prehaps a small doses of letro and adex to control water if you have a problem
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    wiffers
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    Re:LEAN cycle - what to do? 2009/07/15 14:46:24 (permalink)
    MJH
    Will look into that
    *The_West*
    Sodium and water intake both fine. Was at the end on 1md Adex ED, plus letro, proviron, taurine ... still help water.
    Test prop is not an option
    May be worth trying winny to see how it effects me ...
    Westy19
    As above, will put on water. Don't want test peop. Plus that's more than 2 meds.
     
    Thanks guys

    Raw dead Lift 320kg
    Raw bench 171kg
    Shirted bench 200kg
    Amateur cage fighter @ 95 - 105kg
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    edcase
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    Re:LEAN cycle - what to do? 2009/07/15 23:20:59 (permalink)
    winstrol is good for fighter, but its also true it makes your joints sore. EQ is very good for fighters as increase RBC more that other roids but too much can give you pumps which are good in gym but not for fighting. if you were considering a long cycle EQ and materone Eth would be good choice.
    Anavar alone has given fighter i know good results, even cured old aches and injuries, and increased strength, masteorne added to this would be good for the androgenic effects
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    jnr2006
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    Re:LEAN cycle - what to do? 2009/07/15 23:51:20 (permalink)
    Do you bloat with all Test or just prop?
     
    I'd be tempted to run a low dose of test with var at 80mg ED for 10wks.
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    wiffers
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    Re:LEAN cycle - what to do? 2009/07/16 10:48:28 (permalink)
    EQ and mast - interesting
    Yeah, pumps not good
    Basically teh cycle is aimed at the gym, BUT I need to carry on fighting (rather than improving my fighting).
    Teh cycle is to maintain size and lean up and get more strength

    jnr2009 - I bloat with all test mate.

    Thx guys

    Raw dead Lift 320kg
    Raw bench 171kg
    Shirted bench 200kg
    Amateur cage fighter @ 95 - 105kg
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    MASSMONSTER
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    Re:LEAN cycle - what to do? 2009/07/16 15:26:04 (permalink)
    having just used short acting tren and test can say no benefit in terms of bloat IME at all. id be inclined to go
     
    low test 200-250mg pw
    mast e 500mg pw
    eq 600mg pw
     
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    Re:LEAN cycle - what to do? 2009/07/16 15:43:04 (permalink)
    i am also into martial arts and i ran 300 mgs test e and 400mgs mast e as my last cycle up until a fight and got great results from them. Although my strength didn't increase greatly it did help with muscular endurance which was what i was after.

    "the injuries you carry are a reflection on how hard you train"
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    alex.p
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    Re:LEAN cycle - what to do? 2009/07/16 17:03:40 (permalink)
    Primo and mast would be my choice

    If need be low dose of test in there as well would work
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    Re:LEAN cycle - what to do? 2009/07/17 07:07:33 (permalink)
    Primos expensive and easily faked.  Great if you can afford and know its legit though.  Im just a skint Test En boy myself lol

    @ Wiffers - Is it possible to cut and lean gain at the same time on certain gear? Don't know how gear affects this but if natural it cut or bulk whether clean or otherwise.

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    Re:LEAN cycle - what to do? 2009/07/17 15:31:43 (permalink)

    Primo with a very low dose of test..

    IE Primo 800mg PW / 250mg PW of test
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