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2011/03/31 12:16:19 (permalink)
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Lean Bulk Cycle

Looking to start a lean bulk cycle with the aim of lowering my bodyfat and gain some nice lean hard muscle.
 
I am 21, 5ft 10, 100kg with around 18-20% bf. Previous cycles include dbol only and test at 600mg/w and deca at 500 mg/w with oxy kick start.
 
I currently have avaliable sust/winny tabs and t5's. Any advice on what dosage and cycle I should use?
 
If any more info is needed please ask. Thanks.
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    Re:Lean Bulk Cycle 2011/03/31 13:22:38 (permalink)
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    It can be done but imo if you are bulking then bulk,try to keep cals clean but most important is to eat loads and train hard,if you do put on some fat cardio will see it off anyway.Its not worth trying to serve 2 masters just imo use an AI and drink plenty of water to avoid bloat.
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    Re:Lean Bulk Cycle 2011/03/31 13:40:05 (permalink)
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    lean bulks work but i'd never rule out adding a couple of junk meals in a week.

    Fat gain will be minimal anyway but to get good results out of a bulk i feel you need to allow for a little fat gain. Always works out better.... i'd rather maximise gains and allow for a little fat than risk losing out on potential gains personally.
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    Re:Lean Bulk Cycle 2011/03/31 17:43:25 (permalink)
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    Thanks bowley and Doink I understand your points completely. Thats why I worded what i said in my orginal post carefully. Not looking for a complete cut just looking for some keepabe and lean gains rather then blow up like a balloon like I pretty much did on my test/deca cycle. Obviously if I am going to be gaining size then I am not going to be dissapointed with a slight fat gain, however, I want to keep this to an absolute minimum.
     
    So how would you suggest I use the compounds that I have in a cycle?
     
    Thanks again.
    post edited by jjay - 2011/03/31 17:44:39
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    Re:Lean Bulk Cycle 2011/03/31 17:52:45 (permalink)
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    hi mate, have a look at my journal.. im similar to you . same height weight and bf% although very subjective... i think im 18-20% got pics on there so see just incase you are under /over est your bf%.
     
     
    my bf% didnt move that much although gained 22lbs this cycle... al be it with a coach's help. but as for bf being that we have decide dto cut .
     
    i personally think its best to bulk form a leaner base and just allow for some fat gain. if i were you ( and i pretty much am lol) id cut to sub 10% bf and then bulk with the help of a rebound too.
     
    this will also give you the advantage of seeing weak points which may be hidden due to fat. jmo though.
     
     
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    Re:Lean Bulk Cycle 2011/03/31 17:52:51 (permalink)
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    I was thinking this as a cycle layout:
     
    weeks 1-10: sust 500mg ew
    weeks 1-4: t5 1 tab ed
    weeks 8-12: winny 45mg ed
     
    then nolva pct weeks 12-16
     
    thats a basic layout of what I had in mind, please b*tch slap me if its a bad idea and give me some help!?
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    Re:Lean Bulk Cycle 2011/03/31 21:45:51 (permalink)
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    That's a good log you have running, Warren.
    Good luck with it!
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    Re:Lean Bulk Cycle 2011/04/01 22:37:26 (permalink)
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    hi mate, have a look at my journal.. im similar to you . same height weight and bf% although very subjective... i think im 18-20% got pics on there so see just incase you are under /over est your bf%.


    my bf% didnt move that much although gained 22lbs this cycle... al be it with a coach's help. but as for bf being that we have decide dto cut .

    i personally think its best to bulk form a leaner base and just allow for some fat gain. if i were you ( and i pretty much am lol) id cut to sub 10% bf and then bulk with the help of a rebound too.

    this will also give you the advantage of seeing weak points which may be hidden due to fat. jmo though.




    Thanks branch... very interesting journal and good idea to do it with your partner!
    You do actually a similar build to me so ill deffinitely be keeping an eye on your journal, however, I am thinking I may have slightly higher body fat % then you do judging by your orginal pics you have up there!?
     
    In regards to slimming down and getting learner to bulk from a leaner base, what would you suggest? As that sounds very logical to me and a sencible way to go.
     
    Im thinking diet and cardio hard with my normal training and maybe add in the t5's to assist? and then save the sust and winny for when i have got much leaner and then use them on the rebound for a lean bulk?
     
    Thanks again.
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    Re:Lean Bulk Cycle 2011/04/01 22:51:13 (permalink)
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    i'd just bulk from your starting point and cut later, otherwise you go to all the trouble of getting lean, realise you arent carrying half as much muscle as you thought you were, look a skinny cnut and then start bulking... It wastes growing time and just undoes a portion of the work.

    I'd always bulk first, cutting is secondary imo as cutting is a piece of piss.
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    Re:Lean Bulk Cycle 2011/04/02 12:11:51 (permalink)
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    lol ok Doink thanks, thats exactly what i'm like aswell!
     
    So what would you suggest as a cycle with the compounds i have (sust/winny/t5's)?
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    Re:Lean Bulk Cycle 2011/04/03 10:56:35 (permalink)
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    Bump...
     
    Anyone want to help me out a suggest how I should layout my cycle of sust/winny tabs and t5's?
     
    Thanks.
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    Re:Lean Bulk Cycle 2011/04/03 12:53:12 (permalink)
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    think its very open to opinion... as you have seen my veiw, however doink is compleate opposite, and apparently his veiw is same as the lad coaching me lol.
     
    spoke to him this week and he has said if i want some serious gains in mass then just accept the fat for the first few bulks, and accept to gain the mass i want they will be heavy bulks. im cruising at the moment but then have my second bulk cycle with him.
     
    as much as i feel fat and want to lean up .. i pay him so do what he says lol im hoping for another 20lbs this cycle, obv some fat/water/glycogen etc etc but that will take me to 240lbs ish then think the plan is to strip down to 8-9% which will probly be around 190lbs.
     
    as doink says wont be holding as much lean mass as first thought, i think it really depends on your goals.. im very ambitious and have set a date of early 2013 to do a first timers show but want to be 100kg at 5'10-11, so you can see how much is to gain hence why im accepting the fat for now.
     
    but if your goals are more aestetic , for women,, modeling etc then cut first .
     
    what are your long term goals and short term?
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    Re:Lean Bulk Cycle 2011/04/03 14:01:47 (permalink)
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    Thanks again branch, very helpful, everything you have said makes complete sense.
     
    Im mainly doing it for aestetic and women at the moment but only just really starting out so maybe further down the line, in a few years, look at competing, as im getting more and more serious with bodybuilding as the months go by.
     
    Obviously my short term goal would be to look as good as I can for this summer, however, I know i have left it late and I dont exactly look 'bad'! So my long term goal would be to gain some good solid mass and bulk  and be even bigger and better for next spring/summers cut. Obviously they are two very general goals and everyone on here has them goals but you gotta start somewhere and I think I have just got to find the balance because im still wanting to bulk and cut at the same time and need to get it out of my head that its one then the other not both. I understand that fat comes with bulking but when it comes to cutting, as you and doink have said, I feel i will notice i dont have as much lean muscle as i thought and be very disapointed with the weight loss, as ive worked so hard to get to my size, even when cutting I feel like im losing alot of muscle and strength (I know you lose alot of strength when losing weight).
     
    Youv'e got a good idea with having a coach, always nice having someone to motivate you and advise you through the whole process so that you get your timing and everything spot on.
     
     
    post edited by jjay - 2011/04/03 14:07:17
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    Re:Lean Bulk Cycle 2011/04/03 15:17:14 (permalink)
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    How long have you been using gear mate and how do you usually go about it?

    If it's been working the way you've been doing it then carry on, Just up your cals steadily over a couple of months and then run with it, keep working hard in the gym and it will come.

    As you've got sust and winny i'd go for 750mg of sust a week for as long as you need depending on how you go about it. I'd save the winny for when you cut personally.
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    Re:Lean Bulk Cycle 2011/04/03 15:20:12 (permalink)
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    a good mix for your aim could be to eat just over maintanance, maybe to the point you are gaining 1lbs per week..run a simple test cycle with some t3 added in at 25mcg to start. i run t3 all through a bulk to help with metabolism and i gain well still. with it being summer you may want to run an ai to help reduce water weight.. drink plenty of water also to help with this and keep diet very clean. keep in cardio say 3times per week am fasted to start. each week increase kcals obv this wil incease weight gain therefore increase cardio slightly when needed.
     
    you should find this way you will be gaining slower than normal but find more of a body composition change.
     
    i dont really like to give too much advice on aas as its a learning curve and im still relativley new so can only advise on what i have exp with.. but i did a cycle of tren and i think that was the cycle i got the most change in looks. alot of others also report a change in body composition with tren... however it is a very advanced drug.. one which i myself should not have taken as i did not need at the tme and i rushed it, but perspective is useless now lol.
     
    you have used deca before though and i beleive is similar on some levels so could look at it.
     
     
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    Re:Lean Bulk Cycle 2011/04/03 21:32:03 (permalink)
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    Doink, my first cycle was in Dec 09 (test-e only) so only been using just over a year, first cycle was 10 weeks second (oxy, sust and deca) was only 8, as well as the common beginner oral only dbol cycle. So im thinking to do this one for 10 weeks as its sust so should kick in quite quickly. I feel i used too much on my second cycle with the deca. So was trying to do a lighter cycle mainly with the test, hence only wanting to use winny tabs towards the end along with it.
     
    Thanks again branch I think I am just going to have to do what you have suggested, clean bulk.... kind of lol, clean calories, some cardio and loads of water.
     
    Yeh im thinking to use tren with test for my next cycle but as I said mainly just want to do a test one at the moment as it is the most important one to be using, and still want to see if i can get some good solid gains using it on it's own. :)
     
    Thanks again for all the help and advice.
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    Re:Lean Bulk Cycle 2011/04/04 21:38:26 (permalink)
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    Also another question... I was thinking of doing just 600mg sust this time round, however, my last cycle was 600mg test and 500mg deca. So obviously im going to be using nearly half the amount of gear as last time so is this going to affect my results i.e am i going to get hardly any gains?
     
    Obviously I am not wanting to use too much too soon so only wanting a low-ish dose to see some good gains? or will a standard test only cycle now be just as good?
     
    Thanks.
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    Re:Lean Bulk Cycle 2011/04/04 23:32:05 (permalink)
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    nah mate, im on less now than i have used but was best cycle to date, i think it may be an issue for someone using g's of gear for a long time then trying a 500mg test cycle, but you should be fine.
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    Re:Lean Bulk Cycle 2011/04/06 11:21:54 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the reply again branch, you've been very helpful.
     
    So im just going to do test only cycle:
    weeks 1-10 600mg sust (2ml) shot once a week in quad.
     
    May add in winny for last few weeks on cycle at 45mg a day but not 100% sure yet, ill see how it goes and what i feel like.
     
    PCT nolva 40/40/20/20? Also I just checked and the nolva i have expires in july 2011, and if i start this cycle next week ill be taking the nolva in june/july (when it expires) will this be a problem?
     
    With a nice clean and healthy diet so i get maximum good quality muscle gains. Trying to keep bloat and water retention to a minimum.
     
    So hopefully will end up as a lean-ish bulk cycle as i first suggested? lol
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