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2007/06/14 00:13:58 (permalink)

Less in my case is more!

Guys done a few cycles over the years. My biggest was 10 weeks of test enanthate @ 500mg PW which I had terrible acne during and after the cycle.

Tried a few VAR only cycles at 80mg per day for 6 weeks - they worked for strength and not for bulk and my last couple of cycles were Primo only at 800mg per week = excellent gains but too many painful injections especially with CLP DS Primo.

So I decided to do test enanthate at 250mg for 10 weeks - safe iranian, low dose because of the sides. Now my diet and training has always been very similar on all cycles including this one. I am now on week 9 and apart from the odd spot here and there I have had no sides other than slightly greasy skin (no more than the primo cycle) however I have steady gains in strength and a descent weight gain of 5lbs - so far the best cycle I have done for bang for buck, minimal sides and hassle free 1 injection per week.


Now here's the question - how long should I stay on for, the way I feel I was going to go for 12 weeks - have 4 weeks off then go on a VAR only cycle for 6 weeks to cut - what's you advice guys?
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    RE: Less in my case is more! 2007/06/14 01:04:37 (permalink)
    sounds fine to me mate whats your pct protocol?

    Knowledge is power...keep educating yourself!

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    RE: Less in my case is more! 2007/06/14 17:48:55 (permalink)
    Nova, 80mg day 1, 60 mg for next 4 days then 40 for the next 2 weeks
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    RE: Less in my case is more! 2007/06/14 18:08:33 (permalink)
    You gained 5lbs over 9 weeks?
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    RE: Less in my case is more! 2007/06/14 18:37:11 (permalink)
    My understanding is that your shutdown will be the same regardless of what dose you use, so the cycle shouldn't be longer because you are using less, nor should your PCT be shorter.

    If you really want recovery then you need more time off before you jump in to the next one.

    So I would advise 12 weeks as planned, then take 12 weeks off before var cycle.

    Have you considered trying the var along with 250mg/test? Might not have more sides, but might have more gains.
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    RE: Less in my case is more! 2007/06/20 23:14:09 (permalink)
    Thanks Rockwell
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    RE: Less in my case is more! 2007/06/21 08:41:33 (permalink)
    Wellard.

    I suffer from roid rage. Well more roid arrogance. I know Im doing it but just cant stop. Suppose its the side that effects me as I don't get gyno or acne etc etc.

    on my last cycle I took my highest does yet (a normal dose for anyone else) I last took 500 test E and 400 Deca per week. Mate, I was ready to explode everyday. Honestly, I felt like I was about to turn into the hulk and kill someone. Not good.

    Ive been off roids now for over a year due to a broken arm and am about to start my 4th cycle.
    This time I'm dropping the Deca as Drab4 has mention I could be having an adverse reaction to it. I always thought it would be the Test making me angry but am wiling to try anything as you cant really not take test or your cycles a bit pointless to me.

    Im only going to take 250 Test E each 5 days or each 7 this time with no Deca as said. Also I may or may not take a Dbol front load but am concerned if it is the Dbol that causes my anger I wont know. Then again Dbol only has a short half life and my anger lasts till I finnish my injectibles some 6 weeks after I end the frontload so I don't think it's them.

    Any opinions views appreciated. Your the first person I have ever heard of taking smaller ammounts.

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    RE: Less in my case is more! 2007/06/21 08:47:10 (permalink)
    12 weeks for a test only cycle? I would have said about 8 max. I don't gain anything afterwards. I used to do 10 weeks when stacking with Deca.

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    RE: Less in my case is more! 2007/06/27 22:46:21 (permalink)
    Hi Mickey123,

    Sorry about the delay in posting...been away.

    As I said I like primo as I get virtually no sides however I cant do the pain even though it gets better it still effects my leg days. Also I dont wont to take the risk with UG anymore as I have met a few people who have had abcess's etc.

    If I do 500mg test then I get bad greasy skin, water bloat and when I come off I get acne on my back which defeats the object I cant take my shirt off my newly built back as its covered in spots. However I dont wont to NOT do anything so I tried 250mg for 12 weeks, same diet same training as before. I gained (not as much as 500) but still better than nothing at all and I have had no sides. Just about to start PCW.

    The way I look at it 250 a week is better than non at all.

    And for those who say it isnt worth it. You can still get drunk on 5 pints but not as drunk as 10 - 250mg still works

    Additionally my nuts aint half as small as the 500 cycles and I feel OK starting PCT.

    Re: DBol that makes me angry as ****e.
    post edited by wellard - 2007/06/27 22:50:02
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    RE: Less in my case is more! 2007/06/27 22:57:40 (permalink)
    Hey m8. Im about to start my next cycle and to keep it simple and doing 250 Test en only each 5 days. Im not even taking the Dbol I bought. If I have any probs with anger I will have two options for future cycle. 1- dont cycle anymore, 2- Lower my dose to 250 each 7 days.

    Ill update your thread and let you know how Im getting on m8. Im feeling quite positive about it and am getting my diet sorted. Its good to know someone else goes in for lower doses:]

    Mickey

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    RE: Less in my case is more! 2007/06/29 12:50:46 (permalink)
    Good luck Mickey

    Sirger = You gained 5lbs over 9 weeks? = yes 6lb in 12 weeks and no water bloat so I am expecting / hoping to keep it.
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    RE: Less in my case is more! 2007/06/29 13:03:35 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: wellard
    the way I feel I was going to go for 12 weeks - have 4 weeks off then go on a VAR only cycle for 6 weeks to cut - what's you advice guys?


    Really, after your 12 weeks you should have 3 weeks PCT and then 15 weeks off.

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    RE: Less in my case is more! 2007/06/29 13:20:43 (permalink)
    dont you mean 3 PCT and then 12 weeks of? Ie 15 weeks of in total? This is what I normally do. PCT + the time I was on = how many weeks break before I can next cycle.

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    RE: Less in my case is more! 2007/06/29 13:56:27 (permalink)
    well really no one can be sure after what legnth of time you are fully recovered, the only way is to get bloods done, but it costs, the next best is as long as possible, but fo alot of people that means significant losses, so the next best is the cycle legnth, after that you looking at just hoping for the best long term lol


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    RE: Less in my case is more! 2007/06/29 13:58:15 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Mickey123

    dont you mean 3 PCT and then 12 weeks of? Ie 15 weeks of in total? This is what I normally do. PCT + the time I was on = how many weeks break before I can next cycle.


    Isn't that what i said?

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    RE: Less in my case is more! 2007/06/29 14:06:16 (permalink)
    No m8. you said PCT 'THEN' 15 weeks off adding another 3 weeks to it. Not trying to be a smart ass, just saying I think you made a mistake or I don't practice the dark side as you do

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