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2011/03/13 21:43:02 (permalink)

Life Threatening AAS Sides...

This one's aimed at the more experienced users and maybe the older guys using AAS. I'm 24, run a couple of pro-hormone cycles with good effects and am now looking to cross over into the AAS world (yes I udnerstand PH products are steroids but without going into massive detail I think you'll understand what I mean). I've been a long time floater on MT, don't post all that often but am currently in the stages of researching hugely the in's and out's of certain compounds which MT has helped me massively with. What I'm really looking for is honest real life feedback to side effects experienced further down the line. I'm well aware that TRT is a possibility but how likely is this? Also after reading many conflicting arguments and getting "hear say" left right and centre from various people how common is cardiac, liver, kidney problems in years to come? You often hear the scaremongering stories of "he's been on gear for 10 years and has had a triple heart bypass" Arnie being a prime example. However, is this down to abuse??? From what I understand running steroids at a reasonable dosage, in a controlled manner with correct injection technique and PCT protocol can be "safe as houses". Any feedback or links to studies or real life side effect logs whether they be good or bad is most welcome as I really want to put the BS to bed and get facts on "steroids will kill you when your 50" etc etc etc. Thanks in advance guys, I know there's a wealth of knowledge here and as I've said any info you can give me or point me to is greatly appreciated.
 
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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/13 21:52:50 (permalink)
    I personally wont stand here and say steroids are safe. To do so would be untrue.
     
    I have no problem believing that prolonged use of high dose steroids could have serious implications for the heart in older age.
     
    The state of your currect health is also a factor here. Any heart complications? Bp? liver kidneys etc?
     
    99.999% of steroid users wont die. the problem is what starts out as just one test cycle becomes another, and another. Then a higher dose. If you love the iron game, you wil probably be doing this for years.
     
    Again that may well have implications when you hit your 50's.
     
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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/13 21:58:53 (permalink)
    Appreciate your hoenst advice tbip2001.

    Of course I'm not naive enough to think that I'd stop at one cycle. I'll undoubtedly see the results and want more just like any avid gym goer/bodybuilder would.

    So far, touch wood no issues with heart/blood pressure/liver or kidneys but this would have to be confirmed by blood testing.

    I'm just concerned at the moment that after say 5 years of doing steroids I could effectively have taken x years off my life or set myself up for some rough times in my pensioner days. Really after some clarity as to how common these problems are in users. A difficulat one to answer I appreciate as I suppose for every 1000 users your going to get lets say 5 that say I've had heart surgery, kidney failure, liver failure and it's all down to gear, but medically, is this true?
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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/13 22:04:17 (permalink)
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    Appreciate your hoenst advice tbip2001.

    Of course I'm not naive enough to think that I'd stop at one cycle. I'll undoubtedly see the results and want more just like any avid gym goer/bodybuilder would.

    So far, touch wood no issues with heart/blood pressure/liver or kidneys but this would have to be confirmed by blood testing.

    I'm just concerned at the moment that after say 5 years of doing steroids I could effectively have taken x years off my life or set myself up for some rough times in my pensioner days. Really after some clarity as to how common these problems are in users. A difficulat one to answer I appreciate as I suppose for every 1000 users your going to get lets say 5 that say I've had heart surgery, kidney failure, liver failure and it's all down to gear, but medically, is this true?





    Yes mate so will you never eat bacon, sausages, bad fats, sweets, refined sugar, smoke, reccy drugs, booze ever again then


    whatever lifestyle we choose there are many dangers and I generally beleive most illnesses are self inflicted whether that be from bad diet, boozing, reccy drugs, AAS, smoking, stress(biggest killer)






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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/13 22:10:49 (permalink)
    Danny187 thanks for your reply.

    yeah I can see where your coming from but how quickly does AAS accelerate these problems if any? I know this is a tough one as individually I'm not going to be able to find out that if you run test e for 12 weeks your going to knock 6months off your life.

    This is where me researching sides and future health implications becomes a little hazy as you've got on one side of the scale 50 year old guys who have been running gear for 30 years and have never felt better then on the other hand you've got 50 year old guys who are on deaths door, how likely is it that the steroids have caused this?

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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/13 22:15:44 (permalink)
    hi mate, first off.. im warren and born in 1987 lol thats just a usless fact haha

    anyway as danny has said will you not drink ? eat rubbish ? etc etc

    imo steroids are not ''healthy'', but i choose to use as i know the pros and cons.. and took a calculated risk knowing the risks.

    however.. drinking alcohol is not healthy.. eating rubbish is not healthy.. well i could go on forever but plenty day to day things people do are not healthy.

    people may not agree with me here , but i honestly feel taking steroids in a safe manner  ie not 10g of this and 5g of this mixed with xyz, but reasonable useage....is safer than drinking in the way most people drink on weekends.. drinking copoous ammounts and binging

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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/13 22:16:44 (permalink)
    Well everything has dangers so it is your choice, no one can comment on if it shortens you life by X amount as no proof on nothing really

    I would just keep a healthy CV program, eat clean, get regular health checks if your worried but just remember you may never touch AAS and die in a years time mate would it be the pro hormones fault probably not

    IMO look after you health so you have a good quality life while your alive

    However IMO when you times up your times up mate

    I have seen many pals die at young ages, also mums best pals fitness freak dies at 40 years old brain tumour, so in my perpective I will do what I want while I am alive and try to feel and be healthy along teh way


    you have more chance of longer life by trying be healthy as possible, cardio being a major factor IMO, healthy diet and limit stress, be sensible in any thing you do, use and not abuse 
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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/13 22:19:00 (permalink)
    No one will ever know if MR X has heart, liver or kidney problems from AAS, or whether he would of had them regardless of taking AAS or Not, medically you will never know or be able to compare, hindsight aint worth a wank!
    However, on the flipside, fertility problems, and ruined endocrine system are very real and directly related to AAS.
    If you are only taking for recreational purposes, you have to really think is it worth taking unnecessary risks, be as safe as possible, usual one liners "use and abuse" "everything is ok in moderation" 
    At the end of the Day, you know the risks deep down, so it's up to you, you have to be willing to take all the goods and bads that come with putting Drugs in your body, as you will have to live with it, no one else.

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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/13 22:20:39 (permalink)



    Love how Danny preach's CV in most posts..........and never actually does any LOL Legend!
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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/13 22:23:11 (permalink)
    Hi Branch, sorry I don't know when you were born lol I can assess that you have an eagle eye and spotted my username though ;)

    Just wanted a quick introduction to save the "how old are you" "what experience have you got" etc questions, just thought it'd save a little time.

    Appreciate your insight, this is the sort of "discussion" if you can call it that I'm after. As there's 0 medical studies on steroids in terms of bodybuilding as it's unethical (if you can find me any I'd love to see them) there's no evidence to suggest for or against how healthy OR unhealthy they are. Sure they'll raise blood pressure, suppress your prostate but how detrimental to your health steroids are is immeasurable and as you've said drinking, smoking, doing drugs is all unhealthy and some people are fine, some people aren't.

    branch if you don't mind me asking what cycle/cycles have you run and have you experienced any sides out of the ordinary, apart from acne, increased BP, gyno, increased aggression???

    So far I'm of the opinion that taken sensibly you'll be fine.
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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/13 22:26:00 (permalink)
    MRENIGMA

    Love how Danny preach's CV in most posts..........and never actually does any LOL Legend!





    Yes good for health ****ing mundane for my MIND LOL


    Starts 2moro mate 4 days CV a week I am doing as I value my life alot more LOL


    Gonna need a new heart soon after watching West Ham today I am stroke waiting to happen 
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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/13 22:31:20 (permalink)
    Danny, MR E thanks.

    On to the subject of TRT how common is this with AAS use. Do you have to be a hardcore user running heavy cycles to fall into this category or can running test, or any other compound that shuts you down for that matter over a long period of time destroy your reproductive system? Is it more a case of take each cycle as it comes or is TRT inevitable for any steroid user?

    Apologies for the 101 questions but your the guys who know your stuff.
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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/13 22:33:55 (permalink)
    TRT could be from a poor pct recovery, however there is many experienced guys who would help with protocols to do it best to recover you so TRT was last resort

    There are many on here you done AAS for over 20 years and not on TRT
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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/13 22:36:02 (permalink)
    Good to know Danny. I suppose it's the same question in effect. One cycle could be enough to shut your system down and end up on TRT or you could be fine for 30 years. Appreciate your time and advice guys moves me in a positive direction anyway.

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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/13 22:37:22 (permalink)
    TRT is definitely not a dead cert from taking steroids, many choose TRT or see doctor whilst not properly recovered from a cycle as they are not prepared to leave it long enough and get prescribed TRT when they may not need.
    Some people do suffer with low test and do need it.  
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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/13 22:41:39 (permalink)
    At such a young age I wouldn't have thought I'd be likely to end up on TRT in the near future more like in my 40's which is usually when libido hit's the lower end if I'm not mistaken?
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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/13 22:48:35 (permalink)
    hi mate, well i havent had any sides but i havent went too wild either..

    as said.. it can effect you and dont take it as unlikley as it can.. however to say it will or wont for sure cant be done..

    just be sensible.. get checked.. if you have a history of thyroid trouble, dont use t3 etc etc

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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/14 12:42:39 (permalink)
    I don't take it lightly but i think the whole side effects of steroids use issue is grossly over exaggerated.

    I've never had any sides that bothered me tbh, never had acne,gyno,rage issues,libido issues etc while on steroids.

    When i've came off i've felt a bit crap for 2-3 weeks but after that i'm back to normal.

    I've done a bit of reading recently and gathered a few thoughts from various users and i've made the decision to stay on for a good while as soon as i've got my self prepped, healthy and mentally focused enough to start training at 100% again, I'm looking at around 6 months on a potential timne frame and then i'll go from there, i'll definitely come off around that point, that much is certain.

    I'm 25 by the way so not much difference between me and you, MY advice is read up on side effects, watch the documentaries but keep and open mind and listen to both sides. You'll smell where the BS is coming from.

    While on cycle, i'll monitor my health, keep my diet clean and keep beer and reccys to an absolute minimum. Might even quit smoking....
    That's all you can do, it's the same as every  other medication/substance/lifestyle choice. Too much cheesecake can kill you as well but does it stop you from having a slice every now and then?...

    Make your own mind up mate, It's your body, you're a grown man.
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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/14 13:08:03 (permalink)
    IV never seen empirical evidence to imply a direct correlation between aas and hesrt problems.
    also a lot of past B.Bs health issues  are more likely to copme from meds other than aas,andreas munzer is a prime example. IMO the best conditioned B.B ever,he passed away from abuse of diuretics!
    But it will always be portrayed through the media and misinformed that it was AAS that was the cause of death
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    Re:Life Threatening AAS Sides... 2011/03/14 14:31:11 (permalink)
    A bloke on another forum made a great point about fertility issues as well that i'd never thought of, think it was Tac, i'm sure he's on MT as well....

    he made the point that women use contraceptive drugs to shut down their ovaries for often years and years at a time and it has little to no effect on their fertility, contraceptive medication is a steroid after all... so why would steroid cycles of a similar length affect male fertility (used sensibly) over a similar time frame?

    If you take into consideration the fact that a woman's reproductive system is a lot more fragile than a male's then i think it's a cracking point.... assuming you take measures to prevent testicular atrophy i think it should be relatively straightforward to get things moving again post cycle, even after a good time on, with a well planned and ample recovery of course. The day i start trying for a kid is the day i'll knock AAS on the head anyway personally.

    Guess i'll find out...

    Excellent point though imo, food for thought.
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