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Re: London Bridge Attackers all took steroids. 2018/02/11 16:25:25 (permalink)
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tin foil hat going on here , but maybe steroids break some of the suggestion/programming and allow more critical thinking


Or maybe they just addle your brain so you’ll believe any old claptrap 😉
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Re: London Bridge Attackers all took steroids. 2018/02/11 18:55:43 (permalink)
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Anders Breivik was another gear using terrorist.
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Re: London Bridge Attackers all took steroids. 2018/02/11 19:24:01 (permalink)
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No significance to the actual attack. But AAS can and does change people's character etc.... I guess most that use on here are pretty defensive but none of you are seriously into their gear etc... I've been around it for 40 years - in gyms, competing (at a high level) and on the doors (for many years). It can turn people into absolute turds. Messes with the brain too. I know of a few IFBB pros who have had nervous breakdown due to gear.



Must agree with this.
 
TBH I have know guys have to quit competing due to not being able to handle the gear use. Total relationship meltdowns, brushes with the law etc.
 
Also known people who have used steroids and not even trained or been in a gym.  Simply because the confidence boost that some steroids give and the general improvement in wellbeing, gave them an edge in their work etc.
 
I know everything is 'politically correct' these days but if you wind the clock back a few years there's no shortage of users/former users who admit that 'Superman Syndrome' exists and that the higher the dose, the higher the chances of it happening. This is based on real legit Pharma gear though and not the made for market garbage that mainly exists today.
 
I have nothing against steroid use at all by the way.
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Re: London Bridge Attackers all took steroids. 2018/02/12 05:26:27 (permalink)
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https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/volume-22/edition-1/testosterone-and-male-behaviours
 
To this end, a recent review compared the effects of administering supraphysiological doses with therapeutic doses of testosterone on aggression, anger and mood outcomes in men (O’Connor, 2007). The results showed that there was some evidence that supraphysiological doses were associated with increases in measures of direct aggression, anger and mood. In particular, studies that administered the very highest doses reported a small, but significant number of participants experiencing psychiatric episodes such as mania following treatment (Su et al., 1993). In contrast, the therapeutic dose studies using a wide range of self- and partner-reported measures provided little or no evidence of changes in aggression or mood outcomes (e.g. O’Connor et al., 2004).
Taken together, the evidence suggests that the relatively modest doses of testosterone required for clinical purposes are not associated with changes in aggressive or angry behaviour. Moreover, reports of AAS abusers exhibiting high levels of aggressiveness and experiencing episodes of mania or hypomania after taking huge doses of AAS should not be compared with or extrapolated to the effects of therapeutic doses of testosterone.
In terms of helping us understand the relationship between testosterone and aggressive behaviour, the current evidence suggests that the relationship is nonlinear. Instead, there seems to be a threshold level after which exogenous administration of very high doses of testosterone may lead to negative behavioural changes in particular people under certain circumstances. Individual differences in personality traits such as impulsivity are also likely to play an important role in moderating these effects (see O’Connor et al., 2002). Therefore, further studies using more sophisticated designs and employing more sensitive measures and partner reports are required to uncover important vulnerability factors (O’Connor et al., 2001b). Moreover, there is a need to establish whether the relatively modest incidence of psychiatric symptoms observed in illicit AAS abusers is a true estimate or whether the findings from a relatively small number of studies represent the tip of the iceberg.
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Re: London Bridge Attackers all took steroids. 2018/02/12 20:05:15 (permalink)
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The pre-inquest hearing told a court they had steroids in their system. 
 
This information has been reported. 
 
Up to readers to decide if this is 'all down to gear'.
 
Roid rage attack: Quote from victim: “I suspected he’d been taking steroids and when I spied some in his house, I
spoke up because I’d heard they could make people angry and aggressive."
 
This is what has been reported.
 
Gym goes facing health crisis: The findings have been reported. The flip side has not.
 
Good story? Report it. Strong headline? Run it. I don't buy the agenda philosophy. Never have. I'm in a minority of one here.




I've got to agree with Doc here. I'm as sceptical as they come when it comes to conspiracy theories. However, unnecessarily linking steroids to events such as acts of terrorism (that's exactly what they're doing by putting it in the title of the article) is disgusting and wholly irrelevant. Maybe I'm missing a few steps, but what relevance does steroid use have to driving a truck into people, ZERO. There is precisely zero chance of a regular MT member (or anyone not ideologically possessed) taking steroids and then flying off the handles and driving into a crowd of people because of steroid use, that's patently ridiculous. So why does it need to be linked?
 
If people wish to write up factual articles outlining the potential negative side effects of steroids - so be it, so long as the article is cited and researched. But look at how the damn headline is worded
 
London Bridge terror attackers 'took steroids' before incident
 
The natural inference for the vast majority is that steroids had some part to play in their actions. It reads like they loaded themselves up with steroids and then went out and committed an atrocity - ergo, the steroids played some role. Which is ridiculous. So why mention it all... what's the story even for? This isn't conspiracy stuff, this is the logical conclusion of visible manipulation.
 
If X has zero impact on Y, why make the article title
Assholes 'took X' before committing Y.
Assholes 'played GTA 5' before driving a truck into people.
Assholes 'drank coffee' before driving a truck into people.
 
Replace the X and Y values with anything unrelated, it would make no sense to phrase it like that unless you were implying some causal link between the two.


tin foil hat going on here , but maybe steroids break some of the suggestion/programming and allow more critical thinking , not a member of many forums , but there seems to be a lot of steroid users like on MT who have a clearer word view and see through a lot of BS and take conspiracies seriously and question everything , maybe your average steroid user isnt as easily controllable and maybe our masters dont want this  not saying this is true but it has crossed my mind , there a much much bigger problems than steroid use/abuse but they do get shoved in the spotlight for no real apparent reason , having trained and been around users for 25 years I cant say its a big problem, ive never seen anyone go off there heads or go into a roid rage or anything tht would make me think twice about using or thinking I need to stop this . cocaine/alcohol on the other hand , ive seen enough to definitely stay away . Imagine they took this stance with coke or booze , you would need a delivery van to bring you your daily news paper . 
 
Coke/booze guys bites someones ear off , doesn't get  a mention 
 
guy hits girlfriend doesn't get a mention 
 
Steroid user hit girl , boom front page 


I also think that the average steroid user is far more likely to take illegal drugs in general and experiment with their body and mind. LSD and marijuana certainly are drugs that would break some of the suggestion/programming and allow more critical thinking. And we don't want free thinking people now do we.
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Re: London Bridge Attackers all took steroids. 2018/02/13 13:43:10 (permalink)
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The pre-inquest hearing told a court they had steroids in their system. 
 
This information has been reported. 
 
Up to readers to decide if this is 'all down to gear'.
 
Roid rage attack: Quote from victim: “I suspected he’d been taking steroids and when I spied some in his house, I
spoke up because I’d heard they could make people angry and aggressive."
 
This is what has been reported.
 
Gym goes facing health crisis: The findings have been reported. The flip side has not.
 
Good story? Report it. Strong headline? Run it. I don't buy the agenda philosophy. Never have. I'm in a minority of one here.




I've got to agree with Doc here. I'm as sceptical as they come when it comes to conspiracy theories. However, unnecessarily linking steroids to events such as acts of terrorism (that's exactly what they're doing by putting it in the title of the article) is disgusting and wholly irrelevant. Maybe I'm missing a few steps, but what relevance does steroid use have to driving a truck into people, ZERO. There is precisely zero chance of a regular MT member (or anyone not ideologically possessed) taking steroids and then flying off the handles and driving into a crowd of people because of steroid use, that's patently ridiculous. So why does it need to be linked?
 
If people wish to write up factual articles outlining the potential negative side effects of steroids - so be it, so long as the article is cited and researched. But look at how the damn headline is worded
 
London Bridge terror attackers 'took steroids' before incident
 
The natural inference for the vast majority is that steroids had some part to play in their actions. It reads like they loaded themselves up with steroids and then went out and committed an atrocity - ergo, the steroids played some role. Which is ridiculous. So why mention it all... what's the story even for? This isn't conspiracy stuff, this is the logical conclusion of visible manipulation.
 
If X has zero impact on Y, why make the article title
Assholes 'took X' before committing Y.
Assholes 'played GTA 5' before driving a truck into people.
Assholes 'drank coffee' before driving a truck into people.
 
Replace the X and Y values with anything unrelated, it would make no sense to phrase it like that unless you were implying some causal link between the two.


tin foil hat going on here , but maybe steroids break some of the suggestion/programming and allow more critical thinking , not a member of many forums , but there seems to be a lot of steroid users like on MT who have a clearer word view and see through a lot of BS and take conspiracies seriously and question everything , maybe your average steroid user isnt as easily controllable and maybe our masters dont want this  not saying this is true but it has crossed my mind , there a much much bigger problems than steroid use/abuse but they do get shoved in the spotlight for no real apparent reason , having trained and been around users for 25 years I cant say its a big problem, ive never seen anyone go off there heads or go into a roid rage or anything tht would make me think twice about using or thinking I need to stop this . cocaine/alcohol on the other hand , ive seen enough to definitely stay away . Imagine they took this stance with coke or booze , you would need a delivery van to bring you your daily news paper . 
 
Coke/booze guys bites someones ear off , doesn't get  a mention 
 
guy hits girlfriend doesn't get a mention 
 
Steroid user hit girl , boom front page 


I also think that the average steroid user is far more likely to take illegal drugs in general and experiment with their body and mind.


not sure about that , I would never take illegal drugs and thats because I want to make progress in my training , dont know if the snowflake generation think differently but I know there are lots of people who take steroids now to look good when they go out , whereas when i was in my 20s it was mainly people took steroids to compete , would need to see the stats.
 
I have no idea why DMT would be so illegal , 7 years for possession alone for something that has never killed anyone . 
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