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2007/06/10 10:56:48 (permalink)

Looking for something similar to SD

I'm looking for a similar product as SD or ergo max that doesn't require the use of nolva is there anything out there that gives similar results.

Cheers for the help.

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    RE: Looking for something similar to SD 2007/06/10 11:21:05 (permalink)
    dont think there is such a thing that will give you the same results, all prohormones or roids need a serm in the pct.
    some people say the hyperdrol/mass fx cycle is ment to be good for gains but then some people say its crap.
    get your diet spot on and just stick to that and your see good gains.
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    RE: Looking for something similar to SD 2007/06/10 11:56:24 (permalink)
    take gear

    or

    dont take gear

    thats my 2p

    wanting the gains of gear without using them and their PCT meds IMO is a little cake and eat it too

    whilst you dont need nolva specifically for SD you do need and adequate POM PCT med and not the OTC rot promoted to run with them

    again thats my 2p
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    RE: Looking for something similar to SD 2007/06/10 13:17:36 (permalink)
    IMO Food is the most anabolic thing in the world.
    Sort out your diet and routine and you will grow.
    If your going down the gear route be sure your fully ready and know everything you can cram into your head about it.

    SD without a decent PCT is asking for trouble, SD is a steriod and a very harsh one at that.
    If you want to try it without adequate PCT and are happy to live with b*tch tits afterwards go for it, but thats the risks.
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    RE: Looking for something similar to SD 2007/06/10 13:30:09 (permalink)
    can i ask tt why u think a pom is necessary and that the otc pct meds are inadequate,is this based on your experiences with these meds? cause ive found the otc pct meds fine on a number of ocassions,and i class my self as a experienced steroid user.
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    RE: Looking for something similar to SD 2007/06/10 13:37:31 (permalink)
    IMO, a POM PCT such as Nolva or Clomid etc is an essential tool to have.

    If for example you suffer gyno during or post SD Cycle, a OTC med is not going to clear it. SD is well known to cause delayed gyno, if you have no Nolva on hand you could be in trouble.

    TBH ive never done a PCT on an OTC PCT but that is because I have access to POM's required so I dont think its a worthwhile risk to take, plus Nolva and Clomid is dirt cheap, why cut corners?
    post edited by JimBob1983 - 2007/06/10 13:41:30
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    RE: Looking for something similar to SD 2007/06/10 14:08:38 (permalink)
    actually, the cases of delayed gyno with SD, come from using nolva as pct! Clomid is the preferred choice in terms or SERMS
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    RE: Looking for something similar to SD 2007/06/10 14:10:35 (permalink)
    I'm looking for a similar product as SD or ergo max that doesn't require the use of nolva is there anything out there that gives similar results.

    Cheers for the help.


    Actually, 3-ad (anabolic xtreme) does not require a SERM.
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    RE: Looking for something similar to SD 2007/06/10 14:13:43 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Adil

    actually, the cases of delayed gyno with SD, come from using nolva as pct! Clomid is the preferred choice in terms or SERMS


    Perhaps, however if you do see Gyno symtoms Nolva would be very useful if not essential, and Gyno is a concearn with SD.

    I took both Nolva and Clomid as PCT on my Sdrol cycle as I have done with cycles afterwards, I had a little flare of Gyno near the end of my Sdrol cycle which the Nolva cleared nicely.

    I still stand by the fact that using a non POM PCT on Sdrol is asking for trouble.
    post edited by JimBob1983 - 2007/06/10 14:17:57
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    RE: Looking for something similar to SD 2007/06/10 14:45:40 (permalink)
    rebound XT was designed specifically for SD i believe. However, IMO a serm is preferred
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    RE: Looking for something similar to SD 2007/06/10 14:52:54 (permalink)
    Thanks for the advice guys.

    I didn't think that there was anything similar but best to ask. I don't want t go down the gear route but want to take advantage of anything else that may benefit me.

    Cheers
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    RE: Looking for something similar to SD 2007/06/10 15:05:18 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: meat 05

    can i ask tt why u think a pom is necessary and that the otc pct meds are inadequate,is this based on your experiences with these meds? cause ive found the otc pct meds fine on a number of ocassions,and i class my self as a experienced steroid user.


    yes

    delayed gyno on SD and M1T the latter IME the former in the experience of many others documented accross the net

    an experienced steroid user may be able to run dbol at 50mg ED for 8 weeks, not get a spot, have no gyno, during, PCT or beyond, not lose a hair off their head

    does this make it a universal for PCT to be scrapped?

    no, it makes the user less prone to the sides

    as a universal most will agree that OTC PCT supplements are universally not suitable as a PCT choice

    some may be fine with them, but to suggest all use them?

    no, not from my experience and reading

    you will probably know more about the mechanisms between these OTC PCTs and POM SERMs, its not my area of 'expertise' but i find it hard to argue that they are suitable for everyone

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    RE: Looking for something similar to SD 2007/06/10 16:25:05 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: meat 05

    can i ask tt why u think a pom is necessary and that the otc pct meds are inadequate,is this based on your experiences with these meds? cause ive found the otc pct meds fine on a number of ocassions,and i class my self as a experienced steroid user.


    Meat, I think it comes down to nolva/ clomid are 'established' meds, tried and trusted, and people being adverse to 'change'. Not that the OTC dont necessarily work, just that, how can you be certain they do? Do you know the chemistry/ biology of them and has much research gone into them. There are so many different scenarios to cover, which Clomid/ Nolva have been documented with. As i personally would not base my decision on the company marketing alone. But if youve done your own research and are self certain..
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    RE: Looking for something similar to SD 2007/06/10 16:39:59 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: robmeister

    Thanks for the advice guys.

    I didn't think that there was anything similar but best to ask. I don't want t go down the gear route but want to take advantage of anything else that may benefit me.

    Cheers


    Nothing wrong with that mate, im a bit of the same, if there's an advantage to be had I'll take it so long as I am certain of all the risks involved and take the necessary precautions.

    I personally dont think there's anything wrong with taking SD or other AAS so long as you are fully ready and prepared for it.
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