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Looking to build 16 week course with positive collegen synthesis

Hey guys need your help,
 
            I am 6 months post shoulder surgery and looking to get back into AAS again, I did 3 weeks of Superdrol at 30mg and saw significant strength gains and some size back but I want to spare my liver and go to injectables.  I was going to do 16 weeks Test Cyp @ 500mg per week with 50 mcg T3 to make lean gains but I've been reading that Test decreased Collegen synthesis by up to 80% and the last thing I want to do is make the tendons and ligments they repaired in my shoulder weaker, I want to make them stronger and increase how quickly I heal and can start throwing a softball again.  I' read Eq, Primo and Deca all increase collegen synthesis alot, 270-300%.   I want to be able to do cardio so I was going to avoid the Deca until I was in full mass gain and full health mode.  Would it be good to do a mix of test cyp and either EQ or primo to negate the negative effects ttest has on collegen synthesis?  Which is best for gains and increasing the strength of my joints?  Thanks for your help
 
 
I currently have one bottle of Sus 300 10ml vial that I was going to use as a kickstart, a shot e3d with the test only cycle....please give me some opinions.  I'm 6'0, 250lbs and have done 3 test cycles with good gains including with tren but want to do a cycle that is positive collegen synthesis, thanks
 
 
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    Allstr921
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    Re:Looking to build 16 week course with positive collegen synthesis 2009/07/21 18:56:38 (permalink)
    bump for help
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    Re:Looking to build 16 week course with positive collegen synthesis 2009/07/21 19:00:43 (permalink)
    Have you thought about running gh or igf as both of these are thought to have connective tissue healing properties.

    Not sure on collagen synthesis myself but from what youve wrote why not run 250/500mg test e alongside eq as this would still be a nice lean cycle.
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    Re:Looking to build 16 week course with positive collegen synthesis 2009/07/21 19:44:25 (permalink)
    deca, EQ and primo all increase collagen synthesis.
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    Re:Looking to build 16 week course with positive collegen synthesis 2009/07/21 20:02:46 (permalink)
    Daari

    deca, EQ and primo all increase collagen synthesis.



    As does anavar.

    OP - if I was you i'd run test @ 500mg PW alongside EQ @ 400mg PW. 
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    Re:Looking to build 16 week course with positive collegen synthesis 2009/07/21 23:48:27 (permalink)
    I can get it at 250mg/ml so I was thinking about 500 of Cyp and EQ every 5th day?  With a frontload with the Sus and EQ for 1 week.  How does that sound?
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    Re:Looking to build 16 week course with positive collegen synthesis 2009/07/22 00:57:18 (permalink)
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    Daari

    deca, EQ and primo all increase collagen synthesis.



    As does anavar.

    OP - if I was you i'd run test @ 500mg PW alongside EQ @ 400mg PW. 


    Anavar is supposed to be the best at it - but I was referring specifically to injectables.

    Anecdotal feedback would also suggest that others do a half-decent job as well
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    Re:Looking to build 16 week course with positive collegen synthesis 2009/07/22 01:33:40 (permalink)
    Allstr921

    I can get it at 250mg/ml so I was thinking about 500 of Cyp and EQ every 5th day?  With a frontload with the Sus and EQ for 1 week.  How does that sound?



    Sounds just like the cycle I suggested but with a bit more bite 

    I'd run it, I think it'll be nice. 
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    Re:Looking to build 16 week course with positive collegen synthesis 2009/07/22 02:25:48 (permalink)
    thanks guys!!!!
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    Re:Looking to build 16 week course with positive collegen synthesis 2009/07/22 12:56:35 (permalink)
    some experienced chaps seem to recommend 600mg of EQ/boldenone as the minimum
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    Re:Looking to build 16 week course with positive collegen synthesis 2009/07/22 14:38:08 (permalink)
    Daari

    some experienced chaps seem to recommend 600mg of EQ/boldenone as the minimum



    500mg E5D equates to 683mg PW
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    Re:Looking to build 16 week course with positive collegen synthesis 2009/07/22 15:28:37 (permalink)

    Whatever dose you run the Eq. at - only run a very small dose of test
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    Re:Looking to build 16 week course with positive collegen synthesis 2009/07/22 15:49:13 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the help guys.  I ended up changing my mind and going with Deca.  The increase in appetite scared me off because I get hungry when on this to start with and if its known for that, forget about it.....I want to avoid a gut while I do this so I can wear a tight shirt to show off the gains and not look like a fat f*ck.  I plan on drinking a gallon and a half of water a day along with the 500mg e5d of cyp and deca to try to keep the bloat to a minimum and the deca will be good for my shoulder joints and help increase the healing time of my tendons that were repaired.  I think EQ is something I will try down the road when I go into an all out bulk when my shoulder is in full 110%
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    Re:Looking to build 16 week course with positive collegen synthesis 2009/07/22 17:27:33 (permalink)
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    Daari

    some experienced chaps seem to recommend 600mg of EQ/boldenone as the minimum



    500mg E5D equates to 683mg PW


    Didn't read his post properly.  Thought he said 500mg EW,  683mg should be fine
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