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2019/02/26 20:09:41 (permalink)
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Low testosterone at 25

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I've just had blood work back and my 'serum testosterone level's is at 12.8nmol/L. I had the blood work done through the NHS as I suffer from symptoms of low test, particularly in the libido department and the seeming inability to gain muscle despite having my training and diet in check for a couple of years. I supplement well, have little to no stress and get 8-9 hours sleep every night.

The doctor said my levels are normal (NHS) and I'm at a lost cause.

The numbers are above the minimum of 8.4 but tjr minimum of 8.4 takes into account older and unhealthier people. I bet if i didnt keep my health in check my numbers would be below threshold.

What do you guys think I should do? My non existent libido is really getting me (and probably my gf) down. And I feel like I'm making 0 progress in the gym.

Ifs worth mentioning that i ran a course of test and deca a couple of years ago and my drive was through the roof, infinitely higher than before or after
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/26 20:58:25 (permalink)
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My natural test levels are, at their highest, 3.4nmol (and as low as 0.8nmol) so I can certainly empathise with the symptoms.

You’ll struggle to get NHS intervention with levels above 8.4nmol. Options could be to go private if you can afford it.

Your GP might be able to offer other guidance on the symptoms. Are you stressed or anything?
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/26 21:01:01 (permalink)
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Sorry to hear the mate.

Zero stress, I enjoy my job and and have a good relationship with my girlfriend. I know libido isn't often down to test but my cycle perking me up made me think in my case it is.

How much would going private roughly cost?
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/26 21:10:47 (permalink)
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You'd be looking at around 60-100+ quid a month depending on what you needed. Plus consultation fees for first appointment. Also the price for blood tests a couple of times per year.
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/26 21:19:42 (permalink)
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Or you could just buy some Test yourself and self medicate. Much cheaper.

However it is worth paying the extra to have bloods done yourself just to keep on top of things.

 
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/26 21:25:11 (permalink)
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Your levels aren't low.
And you don't need test to gain weight. If your diet was in point, as you say, you'd gain weight regardless.
So there are issues outside of what you "think" the problem is buddy.

The mind is a powerful thing.
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/26 21:31:27 (permalink)
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From what I can see they're lower than I'd expect from a 70 year old man. And I know what you're saying about mind over matter but I don't even get morning wood and there's no mind involved in that.

Would another course of pct possibly help with some HCG over 2 years later?
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/26 21:35:37 (permalink)
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It could.
But one test means nothing.
Fasting or not impacts results.
Sleep impacts results.
Morning wood means nothing.
Erectile dysfunction doesn't mean low test.

And again, your diet isn't adequate if you are not gaining weight.

You need to eat more.
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/26 21:38:33 (permalink)
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I have no libido which is a separate issue albeit closely related to dysfunction. I probably understated what I meant, I can gain weight and have done over the winter and lifted properly but a lot of it has been fat and I don't think my lean mass has increased much at all judging by my % body fat and current weight
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/26 21:40:05 (permalink)
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A lot of guessing and maybes for someone who has it "sorted"

Get my point?

Diet can also greatly impact hormone levels

Don't get a lifetime commitment to drug use in your head just because you "think" you have something.
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/26 21:46:25 (permalink)
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The NHS threshold for TRT is just over 8nmol/L and mine is just under 13. This is a scale where the average male my age is close to 30nmol/L. It may not be low enough to qualify for TRT on NHS but this threshold is thought to be strict as it is and I'm not far from it. I think this coupled with my greatly increased libido on cycle is pointing towards test being my problem.

My diet is decent, not perfect but whose is? I can't imagine small/moderate changes in my diet will miraculously boost my test by 2x what it currently is.

Indo appreciate your concern about making a lifetime commitment to drug use and I completely agree with you but at this point I'm unsure what else I can do
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/26 22:12:17 (permalink)
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Don't take this the wrong way,mate ;but have you considered talking to a psychologist?
Explain to him your situation.he may refer you then to get an mri,or ct scan just to see if your pituitary gland is functioning properly.
Worst case scenario,is,it will at least put your mind at rest.
As simonboyle says your testosterone levels are within the normal range.
There's a lot of ifs,buts and maybes at the moment.
Don't just look at one viewpoint(I.e.low test).look at the problem from every possible angle,and leave no stone unturned.
Keep an open mind to every possibility.
I hope things turn out okay for you.
Regards.
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/26 22:18:30 (permalink)
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Thanks for that. I'll go back to my doctor and explain the situation, hopefully we can get to the bottom of this and I'll try to be less tunnel visioned in what I think the solution is.
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/26 22:19:34 (permalink)
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The tests showed I was deficient in vitamin D so I've started to supplement with that. Hopefully that will help
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/26 22:24:24 (permalink)
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FFS.

Yeah, fix your diet.
It can make exactly that much difference.

Low vitamin D is a cause of low test.
It's also an indication of other deficiency.

As said, fix your diet mate.
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/26 22:30:06 (permalink)
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For example, just relating to D.
Low iron. Anemia. Low thyroid.

A few others.

Deficiency in one vitamin is also associated with at least one more deficiency in something crazy like 90% of people.
As in its highly unlikely that you have just one deficiency.

And while vitamin D does not boost test in healthy individuals, it is a cause for low test in those deficient in it.
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/26 22:34:51 (permalink)
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I think you are doing the right thing.
I totally empathize with you mate.just explain to your gp,how you are feeling and how it's effecting every aspect of your life.you are a young guy and it's not nice at all to be suffering with the symptoms you are.you need to nip this in the bud as soon as possible.the longer it goes on the more stressed out you are going to get,which will also negatively effect your hormone levels,as you know.
Also,did you mention to your gp about your testosterone and deca cycle and how that made you feel?
Did you also get your prolactin,progesterone and estradiol levels checked,as these can have a negative effect on your testosterone and libido.
If you didn't,it maybe worth mentioning it to him
I hope things work out for you,mate,
Keep us posted on your progress.
Regards.
 
 
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/27 08:09:22 (permalink)
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Thanks for the replies. I didn't mention my previous cycle as I feared I'd be denied treatment and didn't think it would help at all but I could do that next time I visit if you think that would help? I had various other tests which came back healthy which include:
Urea and electrolytes
Full blood count
Bone profile
Erythrocyte sedimentation rate
Serum vitamin b12 level
Haemoglobin A1C level
Serum folate
Liver function
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/27 08:52:59 (permalink)
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Your testosterone levels are low. No doubt about that. The standard TT level for your age is around 22 nmol/l with a deviation of 6 nmol/l either side of that. Some feel fine with low test levels whilst others don't. You obviously don't.
 
Having low libido is not necessarily due to your low T but it will usually not help. Some men fcuk like rabbits on quite low T levels if everything else is within parameters.
 
Starting TRT at such a young age should not be taken lightly. If you want kids later on you're gonna have to hit the HCG big time to try to preserve fertility, though you may get lucky as some do without fertility drugs. It's also a lifelong commitment for most. 
 
You could try Clomid therapy which will bring your T levels up and see if your T levels stay at an elevated level once ceased, though not many can stomach Clomid for long.
 
You need blood work done to see where you're at, the main ones for low libido being:
 
Total testosterone
Free testosterone
Estrogen
SHBG
Prolactin
DHEA 
DHT
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
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Re: Low testosterone at 25 2019/02/27 09:28:03 (permalink)
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You could try Clomid therapy which will bring your T levels up and see if your T levels stay at an elevated level once ceased, though not many can stomach Clomid for long.


I'll have a look in to this. Is this something I should/could do myself my sourcing my own clomid from a reputable source?

I'll also be sure to request the additional tests. Would it be worth asking if I could be referred to an endocrinologist or just stick with the GP for this stuff?

It's frustrating that I have to work all of this out myself (obviously with the help of you lot) as the health care system seems relatively clueless. God knows what I'd have done if I was a bit older and there was no internet
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