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MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb???

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2007/06/11 22:36:56 (permalink)

MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb???

What would you guys recommend getting out of the two, either MP betime extreme or their caesin and hmb and mixing them together before bed? Seems a little better price wise i think to buy caesin and hmb sepperatly instead of pre-made formula, unless ive done my maths wrong?
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    theiopener
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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/11 22:43:18 (permalink)
    why not real food instead?
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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/11 22:50:53 (permalink)
    milk protein concentrate

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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/11 22:55:10 (permalink)
    why not a tub of fromage frais, quark , cottage cheese or low fat hard cheese with some nuts instead?
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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/12 15:00:55 (permalink)
    if you can stomach it before bed, go with some low fat cottage cheese. If not, then by some 'bulk' milk protein concentrate (micellar casein) from either:

    www.myprotein.co.uk or www.bulkpowders.co.uk
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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/13 23:02:10 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: theiopener

    why not a tub of fromage frais, quark , cottage cheese or low fat hard cheese with some nuts instead?


    Because micellar casein from myprotein is fairly cheap in bulk and the above options are rank.
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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/13 23:04:14 (permalink)
    i can get cottage cheese cheaper than micellar casein from MP and i flavour it with loads of things, youre telling me you dont eat yogurt, quark, or low fat hard cheese? SO fromage frais with some peanut butter and honey not good then
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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/14 00:09:20 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: theiopener

    i can get cottage cheese cheaper than micellar casein from MP and i flavour it with loads of things, youre telling me you dont eat yogurt, quark, or low fat hard cheese? SO fromage frais with some peanut butter and honey not good then


    I do eat yoghurt (and often just before bed) but you didn't mention that in your previous post.

    Cottage cheese I find utterly revolting. Quark is horrible without something like fruit with it. Not keen on fromage frais and putting it with peanut butter (which I like) and honey (which I find OK) sounds pretty awful.

    My point was that sometimes the anti-supplement stance goes too far. While there are plenty of people ignorant enough to pay £70+ for 5lb of Nitro-Tech in GNC thinking it's magic powder, there are also people who pay reasonable prices for decent supplements knowing full well that they are just that - and who might even be prepared to pay a little more for them than they would for nutritionally equivalent supermarket food because they find them more convenient and even better tasting.

    So while I would be the first to point out to someone asking about Cell-Tech that they'd be paying a massive premium for dirt-cheap dextrose and standard creatine (with a bit of probably useless alpha-lipoic acid), I would not join in the constant haranguing of people who choose to drink milk protein concentrate rather than eating cottage cheese because of some dogmatic and unsustainable "real food / synthetic food" distinction.
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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/14 02:40:29 (permalink)
    get bedtime extreme, it rocks
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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/14 07:54:15 (permalink)
    caisin is a bassa to mix though, i have a tub and anytime i mix it using either shaker or blender it tastes powdery
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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/14 08:42:58 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: tokar


    ORIGINAL: theiopener

    i can get cottage cheese cheaper than micellar casein from MP and i flavour it with loads of things, youre telling me you dont eat yogurt, quark, or low fat hard cheese? SO fromage frais with some peanut butter and honey not good then


    I do eat yoghurt (and often just before bed) but you didn't mention that in your previous post.

    Cottage cheese I find utterly revolting. Quark is horrible without something like fruit with it. Not keen on fromage frais and putting it with peanut butter (which I like) and honey (which I find OK) sounds pretty awful.

    My point was that sometimes the anti-supplement stance goes too far. While there are plenty of people ignorant enough to pay £70+ for 5lb of Nitro-Tech in GNC thinking it's magic powder, there are also people who pay reasonable prices for decent supplements knowing full well that they are just that - and who might even be prepared to pay a little more for them than they would for nutritionally equivalent supermarket food because they find them more convenient and even better tasting.

    So while I would be the first to point out to someone asking about Cell-Tech that they'd be paying a massive premium for dirt-cheap dextrose and standard creatine (with a bit of probably useless alpha-lipoic acid), I would not join in the constant haranguing of people who choose to drink milk protein concentrate rather than eating cottage cheese because of some dogmatic and unsustainable "real food / synthetic food" distinction.

    That was not my point or intention i am not anti-supplement and i do use Bedtime extreme myself only because i was not aware of other choices out there when i bought a shedload of it. AFAIK solid food containing casein protein will digest slower than that of a powdered form thus yielding better results, i only asked the question what about real food as some people are not aware of the alternatives out there than can be cheaper and yield the same if not better results. Have no issue with anyone who ises supplements whether its creatine, MPC, gear etc etc its their choice and i will always try and help anyone make a informed decision on what will give them the best results possible .
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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/14 11:20:22 (permalink)
    It depends if your cutting or bulking, i would say.

    If you are bulking then cottage cheese and whole food options would be better in my opinion, even though i still agree, a powdered milk protein source bought in bulk does work out cheaper in the long run.

    If you are cutting then i would definetely recommend MP Bedtime Extreme, its not overly expensive, and does the trick, and is very low in Carbs and fat, something which is difficult when trying to get a slow digesting protein from a whole food source.

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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/14 11:33:04 (permalink)
    ive made fat free cheese cake with egg whites, quark and fromage frais, will that count
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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/14 12:01:15 (permalink)
    Its less the fat i was meaning and more the carbs that i dont think are needed at bedtime, and detrimental to fat loss.

    How does you concoction taste?
    I personally struggle with cottage cheese, especially the low fat varieties, though i have to say the Lidl one is rather nice, abeit at a higher calorie content.



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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/14 12:03:57 (permalink)
    3 tubs of quark, 500g fat free fromage frais, 2 whole eggs. Whizz in some vanilla extract and some sweetener and bake in a 9x9 inch pan on 150c for 40 mins. Cool it and cut it into sections. There is some carbs but thats from the lactose and TBH its never hindered me yet and im cutting for over a year now. I believe i posted the recipe for Cutters Cheesecake in the recipe section if its not there ill happily repost it. As for the taste it tastes ot me exactly like cheesecake, soft smooth and moreish.

    I disagree with with your theories on cutting and bulking as eating carbs does nto hinder fat loss as carbs are protein sparing its about whole diet and calorie deficits. I personally cant stand the BTE but im using it anyway, id rather have a slice of cheesecake that has the same cals but better tasting and much more satisfying. If you struggle with CC try some fat free fromage frais or some quark, if you want flavouring ideas let me know ive got tons of em!
    post edited by theiopener - 2007/06/14 12:15:22
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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/14 12:15:46 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: tokar


    ORIGINAL: theiopener

    i can get cottage cheese cheaper than micellar casein from MP and i flavour it with loads of things, youre telling me you dont eat yogurt, quark, or low fat hard cheese? SO fromage frais with some peanut butter and honey not good then


    I do eat yoghurt (and often just before bed) but you didn't mention that in your previous post.

    Cottage cheese I find utterly revolting.



    i couldnt stand CC when i 1st tried it, was horrible. But, then i tried CC with pineapple chunks and i havent looked back. Definately 250g CC and afew egg whites before bed now, casein shake at 3am.

    trouble with bedtime extreme is that its yet another supplement. Yeah its a good product, but where do you stop?? Personally i can count all the supplements i use on 1 hand really, food is the way to go!
    post edited by Clubber Lang - 2007/06/14 12:49:00
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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/14 13:07:03 (permalink)
    Have to say, that does sound rather nice, though does require some some cooking skills, which i am sadly lacking in, as im the sort of person who looks for the 850watt setting on the oven

    I will keep them in mind and look up your others for when i will be coming off my cut.

    Wouldn't say you need carbs for muscle sparing, as the protein on its own will do that.
    I'm not saying the no carbs before bedtime is the way for everyone, but for me it is,

    Ive noticed its not as simple as a Calorie Defecit to lose fat, but more to do with what you eat, and when you eat it.
    As soon as i dropped carbs after 9pm, the fat started to come off my waistline, even though my overall calories had actually increased.

    As for MP Extreme, i dont mind the taste, and prefer supplements at bed time as if im overly tired, its easier to make a shake, and down it in one.

    Clubber, i know what you mean about supplements, Ive had points where ive had ECA to wake me up, MRPs for breakfast, protein supps over the course of the day, with occasional bars thrown in at work, then home for PreWorkout shake, more ECA, some Creatine then training, then PostWorkout shake, then more Protein powder, then Multivits and a Bedtime Formula at nightime.

    It does get out of hand easily, thankfully im nowhere near as bad as that now, but its sometime financially more viable to use supplements rather than food.

    :)
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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/14 13:16:26 (permalink)
    cooking skills??? what cooking skills?! just chuck it into a bowl give it a mix and whack it in the oven at 150c lol. No i said carbs are protein sparing which means the body will burn carbs as a fuel souce and not protein thus lowering the protein requirements and also keeping leptin in check. As long as you have the right ratios and timings down carbs should be employed IMO. Ive done this for ages now and ive been dropping weight every week no issues what so ever. I agree it is to do with what you eat as long as its clean. As for bed i absolutely love yogurt with a teaspoon of warm honey and 20g of walnuts mixed in, lovely
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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/14 14:01:33 (permalink)
    That is cooking skills for me, im the type of person who will take a pre-packed meal out the freezer, only to put it back in when i read that its Oven cook only,lol.

    Its probably not ideal, but i live on Microwave steam meals, or cold meat dishes when it comes to food, i dont like cooking or waiting for food to cook.

    Misunderstood what you meant about the carbs being protein sparing, but as i tend to overdose on Protein, ive never felt they were needed apart from Morning or PWO.
    With me its not even as simple as eating clean, if i replace all my carbs with sugar sources ones, and i dont mean fruit, i mean sweets and fizzy juice, i would lose about 6-8lbs in the next week,obviously not all fat, but about 50/50, rather strange metabolism ive noticed i have.

    The honey/nut yogurt, sounds lovely, and sounds like a good mid afternoon snack today, cheers for that
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    RE: MP bedtime extreme OR caesin + hmb??? 2007/06/14 14:08:14 (permalink)
    my pleasure mate, good luck with your goals
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