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2011/03/26 12:09:25 (permalink)
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MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS

is there anything you can get to poss inj ito the muscle to release hard tight knots? i have a problem with my piriformis bot sides, and its pressing on my nerve giving me so much greef and the nhs will do nothing but get me to stretch with  temp helps the pain but doesnt effect the painfull knot/spasm, ive had it years and not just sick. surely there must be something out there, id even inj the suff myself am that sik and desprite to get rid of this pain its fukn my life up, i cant get a job cos of the pain, on and off the sick, my lass has left cos of my moods which if prob down to being in constant annoying pain when i move, in debt co cant get a job, am so fed up with this now.
 
there must be something that will relexe a muscle knot, deep  tiss massage iv been getting but its prob the werst my backs been in 6yrs and its not budging atm, im on 20+ painkillers aday and the nhs are happy for me to be on the rest of my life and to force my self to stretch into the pain rather that actually do something them selves! :(

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    Bookerman
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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 12:13:18 (permalink)
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    Just ordered one of these last night after seeing people raving about them on here. Although your situation sounds a bit more severe.
     
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/6...=1301141547&sr=8-5
     
     

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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 12:14:16 (permalink)
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    If they're chronically tight and overactive then you need to address your muscle imbalances to allow your underactive hip muscles (probably glutes and internal rotators) to take up the slack.
     
    Edit - Foam rollers are great as above, but for piriformis it's probably a bit indiscreet, tennis balls are a good place to start with piriformis.
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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 12:20:33 (permalink)
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    i have a roller and use a ball its the same effect as the stretches, tempoary for few hours then bk to were i ts before, iv seen on net ppl talking about steroid injections with anesth in them just looking to se wat there called,
    you may be right i may have an imbalance but i dont understand how cos im always at gym training weight cardio, stretches, mma etc so its not like i limit my movement

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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 12:29:17 (permalink)
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    Training doesn't mean you won't get imbalances. I train hard, I stretch, I do soft tissue work but at present my hips are so ****ed I've got to go right back to basics and re-educate everything to work properly, it's going to take months but it needs to be done. Yes I can squat, DL, etc, but not without compensation from other areas which leave me feeling crocked for days afterwards.
     
    If the right muscles aren't firing, whether its day to day tasks, or in the gym, then all you do by not addressing it is compound the problem even further. Anaesthetise the muscle if you want, but you're just controlling symptoms rather than addressing the cause, which sounds like a complete mismatch of correct muscle firing patterns. I would hazard a guess your core strength, glute activation and so on are piss poor, which is why muscles like piriformis are taking up the slack to accommodate the demands you place on your body.
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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 12:34:11 (permalink)
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    I've copy and pasted from my journal:
     
    Jim's hip mobility/glute activating routine 


    1. Glute bridge 3x10 (i just use BW but can do with barbell) 


    2. Butt blasters 3x10 


    http://www.youtube.com/wa...YI&feature=related 



    3. Clams 3x10 


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njthA4SVOT8 



    4. Wall calf stretch 3x20s 

    5. Standing hamstring stretch 3x 20s  

    6. Standing adductor stretch 3x20s 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tktW-v8Pzz4 

    7. Seated adductor stretch 3x20s 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMqi7x5Y_Qs 

    8. Lying glute stretch 3x20s 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcOwQY5x82o 

    9. 'Figure 4' Piriformis stretch 3x20s 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMtP7k1RcTY 


    10. 'Pretzel' piriformis stretch  

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbpkAOxro5Q (beware cleavage shot!) 



    I do this after all lower body CV and legs days (usually at least 4x/week). As you can see nothing special, but my SI joints and back generally feels a shedload better.  

    I use this to address my key issues: 

    - tight adductors/weak abductors 
    - tights hams 
    - tight piriformis 
    - poor glute activation 
     
    Used it to rehab my piriformis. Took about 3-4 months and i'm now 90% improved. Sounds like your situation is a lot worse! Might be worth dropping Rachfit a line in TC subforum as i imagine its caused by an underlying biomechanical problem. 
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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 12:35:24 (permalink)
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    no i agree with you i need to reting how i train etc for inbalances etc, but atm all i want is pain relief, i can progress with my stretches so much more if the pain was gone and the knot was reduced, atm im walking and its like a golf ball in my arse pressing on my nerve, so to try and stretch i get about `1" into the steetch and the pain is str8 there, so to have to go into a ful stretch in absloute agony, just for a few hours temp releif the to have to do it all again, the next morning i wake up and its just the same, i cant turn over in bed without feeling the same pain day in day out, just literally feels like a golf ball each side of my sacrum pressing on my nerve, i can use my ball all day but its still back next day when i wake up. and nhs do nothing cos they dont see a knot/spasm as serious :(

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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 12:39:42 (permalink)
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    Go and see someone who specialises in postural assessment and corrective exercise or biomechanical assessment then - I'd put a lot of money on there being more than one problem that needs addressing that's presenting as pain in your hips.
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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 12:42:05 (permalink)
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    thanks for that jim rat, the glut ham and priform stretches i do i can notmally do the sitted prifom stetch and get my head to my feet, but the pain in my left side its alot harder
     
    this stretch here gives me the 'golf ball' feeling in my left side, i think my right side aint too back poss make wersre from my left being so bad
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbpkAOxro5Q
     
    its tmy left piriformis thats the killer at the min

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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 12:45:26 (permalink)
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    Ak_88

    Go and see someone who specialises in postural assessment and corrective exercise or biomechanical assessment then - I'd put a lot of money on there being more than one problem that needs addressing that's presenting as pain in your hips.

     
    ive heard of biomechanical coatches just need to see if 21 in my area, will oestopaths help? ive treid chiros, physios havnt helped muc, deep massage has always worked best, but this flare up dont seem to be budging atm


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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 12:46:06 (permalink)
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    If pain relief is all your after atm, what are you using? There's nothing you can 'directly inject' into the muscle. I personally wouldn't inject (cortico)steroid into the piriformis. Sounds like you are doing all you can to relieve spasm - heat/ice treatment, pain relief, massage, ultrasound therapy etc
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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 12:48:44 (permalink)
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    Ak_88

    Go and see someone who specialises in postural assessment and corrective exercise or biomechanical assessment then - I'd put a lot of money on there being more than one problem that needs addressing that's presenting as pain in your hips.


    ive heard of biomechanical coatches just need to see if 21 in my area, will oestopaths help? ive treid chiros, physios havnt helped muc, deep massage has always worked best, but this flare up dont seem to be budging atm

     
    Seeing someone who can identify your dysfunctions and advice on how to correct them is what's needed. Manipulations from chiro's, osteo's or physios, or deep tissue massage are all temporary fixes, but you need to re-educate your muscle patterning.
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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 12:54:15 (permalink)
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    stone14
    im always at gym training weight cardio, stretches, mma etc so its not like i limit my movement

    Do you ever take a complete break from training, just to see if it helps?
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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 12:54:49 (permalink)
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    my script every day is:
    8x30mg codine
    8x500mg  paracetamol
    3x50mg diclofenics
    1x25mg amitripline
    as much ibrfen gel 10% as i like
    capican cream (spelling)
    ice/ heat
    stretches
    roler and ball for masseage 
     
    the nhs doc said id prob have this problem all my life and basicly happy for me to take all this rest of my life and keep stretching every day which i dont think is acceptable, they can do organ transplants, brain surgery, re-attach limbs, but wont bother relieving a muscle spasm
     

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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 12:55:27 (permalink)
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    i havnt trained in 2mth since this flare up started

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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 12:57:38 (permalink)
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    ah the doc also gave me a TENS machine even after i told him it didnt do antthing for me as ive boutgh 1 and has no effect, it wasnt penitrationg deep enough to reach the muscle, he said his was more power full, iv usede it few times and each time its make my pain werse for days aftere, iv tried all setting etc

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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 13:00:01 (permalink)
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    I'm really struggling to even get an idea of what you're actually experiencing. It sounds awful.
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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 13:03:31 (permalink)
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    Thats substantial pain relief!
     
    I would really only resort to the injection/surgery route if it is the last straw, after exhausting the biomechanical treatment route. 
     
    Looks like surgery isn't done much (if at all) in the UK, this thread was quite informative, its from a running forum:
     
    http://www.runningforums...._anyone____t19559.html
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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 13:07:34 (permalink)
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    jango

    I'm really struggling to even get an idea of what you're actually experiencing. It sounds awful.

     
    Mine isn't as bad as Stone14's, but its certainly crippling. When it was severe i couldn't sit down for any length of time, walking uphill was also a nightmare (sciatic nerve gets compressed from glute and piriformis pump!). The sciatic nerve is huge, the thickness of a thumb, and the nerve pain from it is excruciating! 
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    Re:MUSCLE SPASMS AND STUBURN PAINFULL KNOTS 2011/03/26 13:09:07 (permalink)
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    What causes this condition?
     
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