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2004/03/22 10:51:03 (permalink)
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Maximising natural test production

Hi guys,

For the time being I'm done with AAS due to health concerns.

However to make the most of my time in the gym I would like to maximise my own natural test production.

As I say I want to avoid any actual exogenous hormones or pro-hormones.

So what would you guys recommend along the lines of trib, vitex, etc? I'm interested in tried and tested products fellas not just marketing hype. Please give me your recommendations of product, manufacturers, success stories, links to relevent research, etc.

Cheers

Osagi

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    caiza
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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/22 10:54:03 (permalink)
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    1.zma
    2.sleep
    3.cold water flowing onto genital's
    4.sex
    5.squats
    6.deadlift's
    7.your football team wining
    8.minimal alcohol

    Osagi
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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/22 11:09:23 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by caiza

    1.zma
    2.sleep
    3.cold water flowing onto genital's
    4.sex
    5.squats
    6.deadlift's
    7.your football team wining
    8.minimal alcohol





    lol Well apart from the ZMA (which I've heard mixed opions of) and the cold water on me nads bit, I've got pretty much everything else in line

    I was thinking more of supps that would help maximise LH production etc. and lead to more natural test production.

    Osagi
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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/22 11:15:17 (permalink)
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    tribulus is a fair choice, provided % protodioscin is assayed.
    Not a direct testosterone releaser but stimulating LH & testes you sure get a benefit there too.
    Many say Avena Sativa ( % avenacosides must be assayed ).
    ZINC ( not ZMA, plain Zinc tablets you get for cents ), no more than 50mg/day.


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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/22 11:31:20 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the reply ham.

    Assuming I know nothing about tribulus and protodioscin (which, in truth I don't ), can you educate me a little on these factors.

    I'm aware that there are many trib products out there, some of which may be effective, but I need to know how to appraise their effectiveness if you know what I mean.

    Cheers,

    Osagi
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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/22 11:50:55 (permalink)
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    Osagi, Endotest is good stuff, I take that and ZMA + flax

    Also I've heard Saw Palmetto can work too but I haven't tried that.
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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/22 12:43:34 (permalink)
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    I take tribuvar by san, which is slightly cheaper than their endotest. Whilst i have no research to prove that its any good or not, in my experience, I definately notice a difference whilst using it.
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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/22 12:53:29 (permalink)
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    Thanks for all the replies guys, keep em coming

    I'm actually going to be getting regular bloods over the next few months. My doc is a good'un so I'll ask him to check my T levels at the same time. That way I'll be able to give some feedback on the actual effectiveness of these prods (their effectiveness for me obviously).

    Osagi
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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/22 13:11:10 (permalink)
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    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=75103

    this for the "scientific" mumbo jumbo, if interested.

    On a more general level, plants do contain active chemicals called saponins, which are steroidal [ by cyclopentanones ] in nature yet not related to AAS.
    Every plant contains a host of them and the percentage&composition vary according to how/when/where the plant was harvested etc.
    Yet not all but just a few of these saponins are proven/identified to work.
    That's why most manufacturers hide behind the "saponin content".
    In Tribulus protodoiscin is the saponin whose effect you are seeking.
    Avenacosides for Avena.
    If you aren't guaranteed a specific potency, then you're buying hay.
    General practice says that a non-standardized compound should cost 1/5 to 1/10 a standardized one ( ex if you buy " leaves & flower powder " of an herb ).

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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/22 13:54:01 (permalink)
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    I would go for a good tribulus product (i.e. SAN Endotest), some H&B Vitex and some ErgoPharm 6-OXO.
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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/22 14:01:34 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by langers

    I would go for a good tribulus product (i.e. SAN Endotest), some H&B Vitex and some ErgoPharm 6-OXO.



    So would you recommend cycling these langers? Also I had heard about the 6-OXO but isn't it a hormone based product??

    Cheers

    Osagi
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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/22 14:31:32 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by Osagi

    quote:
    Originally posted by langers

    I would go for a good tribulus product (i.e. SAN Endotest), some H&B Vitex and some ErgoPharm 6-OXO.



    So would you recommend cycling these langers? Also I had heard about the 6-OXO but isn't it a hormone based product??

    Cheers

    Osagi



    I would cycle most supplements tbh (apart from protein)

    6-oxo is a natural product afaik.
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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/22 18:38:50 (permalink)
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    L-glutamine is a precursor to growth hormone production. If health factors are a reason then I would say L-glutamine is probably your safest bet. L-glutamine taken alone with water sparks the release of GH in your body. Although strength training does produce growth hormones it takes a while to produce GH, so adding L-glutamine before or during a workout is best for optimal GH production. Take L-glutamine 1 hour after breakfast, before/during a workout and before bedtime. You may also want to add L-Arginine to your supplement list as well. L-Arginine has many useful effects on the body. One being it helps the body with toxin removal including “Lactic Acid”. It’s more popular effect is that it is the only known precursor to “Nitric Oxide”. L-glutamine and L-Arginine both help with lactic acid removal and help with fat storage as well. A good combination indeed. If you are taking Creatine it is OK to take Creatine along with L-Glutamine or L-Arginine since they work through different pathways but L-Arginine and L-Glutamine should be taken at separate times. L-Arginine is better taken with food.
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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/22 18:53:48 (permalink)
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    L-glutamine is a precursor to growth hormone production. If health factors are a reason then I would say L-glutamine is probably your safest bet. L-glutamine taken alone with water sparks the release of GH in your body. Although strength training does produce growth hormones it takes a while to produce GH, so adding L-glutamine before or during a workout is best for optimal GH production. Take L-glutamine 1 hour after breakfast, before/during a workout and before bedtime. You may also want to add L-Arginine to your supplement list as well. L-Arginine has many useful effects on the body. One being it helps the body with toxin removal including “Lactic Acid”. It’s more popular effect is that it is the only known precursor to “Nitric Oxide”. L-glutamine and L-Arginine both help with lactic acid removal and help with fat storage as well. A good combination indeed. If you are taking Creatine it is OK to take Creatine along with L-Glutamine or L-Arginine since they work through different pathways but L-Arginine and L-Glutamine should be taken at separate times. L-Arginine is better taken with food.



    Thanks for the info bro, however I was actually looking for info on maximising my natural test production and not GH levels.

    But thanks for your input anyway

    Osagi
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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/23 00:48:03 (permalink)
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    get a good efa supp or oily fish and nuts
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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/23 08:56:16 (permalink)
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    6-oxo is strictly a hormonal product. Higher saturated fat levels are likely to increase testosterone so a switch around in diet to accomodate this may be good.

    Out of interest, why do you want to avoid any hormonals Osagi?
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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/23 16:13:25 (permalink)
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    Remember that there is no science at all behind Tribulus.
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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/23 16:40:12 (permalink)
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    Not to nit pick but i thought that creatine and L-Glutamine use the same receptors for absorbstion so souldn't you have one pre and the other post?
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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/23 19:00:18 (permalink)
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    Powerlifters used to use 75mg zinc am and pm before comps to up natural test production but they would only follow this for 3 weeks at the most due to the toxic effects it can have long term,also if i am not mistaken vit e has some baring on test production when taken after training as a lot of the old skool blokes used to use wheat germ oil on an empty stomach straight after training for this reason.
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    RE: Maximising natural test production 2004/03/23 19:23:07 (permalink)
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    interesting
    quote:
    Originally posted by ONE SMART COOKIE

    Powerlifters used to use 75mg zinc am and pm before comps to up natural test production but they would only follow this for 3 weeks at the most due to the toxic effects it can have long term,also if i am not mistaken vit e has some baring on test production when taken after training as a lot of the old skool blokes used to use wheat germ oil on an empty stomach straight after training for this reason.

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