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2014/11/14 19:56:48 (permalink)

M-dien or M1t

Just planning my next cycle, goal is put on about 10lb after PCT.
Current weight is 13.5 stone been training for along time
Age 44
just after people option which one would be best.
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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/15 01:12:40 (permalink)
    Does it have to be one of those two? Why not go for one of the newer products? There are some very promising looking logs on here.

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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/15 16:43:45 (permalink)
    For a lean bulk with low water retention i´d say M-Dien
    Strengh gains are similar (in my experience)
    Mass gains maybe M1T more but i was in overmaintenance calories so i cant really compare both..
     
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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/15 17:06:31 (permalink)
    Cheers think it will be M-Dien for me.
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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/15 17:46:22 (permalink)
    What height are you?

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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/15 20:05:07 (permalink)
    About 5'7.
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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/15 21:47:35 (permalink)
    Ok 5ft 7 and 13.5 stone. I'd say eat more and train harder and use a PH less harsh - you've got room to grow before you need the help of M1T. Don't use it as a first resort.

    What PH have you reviewed so far / done previously?

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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/16 08:40:14 (permalink)
    At 5ft 7, 13.5 stone is actually not small at all, he's probably quite thick set. Add in the fact he's 44 and been training a good few years it's a very appropriate time to start dipping into the world of PED's.
    post edited by newcastle - 2014/11/16 08:42:57
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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/16 13:57:32 (permalink)
    Done a few PH cycles but was a long time age (10 years plus). Supposed quite thick set waist is about 33", could do with loosing a couple of inches. Diet is isn't too bad, 4 meals a day plus two protein drinks/bars but could be better.
    Been training since 16 was in the Marines for 20+ years so the training was more CV based not strength but since leaving its more strength based now.
    Think it will be M-Dien, M1t sounds a bit rough on your system/body.
     
       
     
     
     
     
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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/16 16:48:51 (permalink)
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    Done a few PH cycles but was a long time age (10 years plus). Supposed quite thick set waist is about 33", could do with loosing a couple of inches. Diet is isn't too bad, 4 meals a day plus two protein drinks/bars but could be better.
    Been training since 16 was in the Marines for 20+ years so the training was more CV based not strength but since leaving its more strength based now.
    Think it will be M-Dien, M1t sounds a bit rough on your system/body.


    That was my thinking, if you're fresh to PH then no need to jump into the toxic deep end. Plenty of compounds that will serve you well, even before mdien. Not saying you can't or shouldn't, just enjoy the ride and variety. Do you have your PCT meds sorted already?

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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/17 11:11:40 (permalink)
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    At 5ft 7, 13.5 stone is actually not small at all, he's probably quite thick set. Add in the fact he's 44 and been training a good few years it's a very appropriate time to start dipping into the world of PED's.


    FYI - I am 7 inches taller and nearly 5 stone heavier!!! I've never used M1T or Mdien to get there. Nor am i a chubby f@#$r LOL.

    Are we really saying 7 inches of height equates to 5 stone - nooo.

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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/17 12:18:59 (permalink)
    newcastle
    At 5ft 7, 13.5 stone is actually not small at all, he's probably quite thick set. Add in the fact he's 44 and been training a good few years it's a very appropriate time to start dipping into the world of PED's.




    I am 5ft 6, and weigh 10.5 stone, admittedly on a little cut at the moment before i embark on a 'lean' bulk, so 3 stone heavier than me, hate to think what i would look like at that weight, probably the Michillin man.
     
    I start my lean bulk next week and hopefully will be about 14 lbs heavier by the end of January 2015, that would be plenty heavy enough for a small guy like me, and i am 53!
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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/17 12:29:03 (permalink)
    You could be 5'7" and several stone heavier natural, it'd be irrelevant. It would just mean you had far better genetics.
     
    13.5 stone at 5'7" is already on the heavy side, for a man with normal lean body mass it's borderline obesity, if it's reasonably lean then it implies a good amount of muscle mass.
     
    And using more potent steroids doesn't really do anything that can't be done with milder ones, that's missing the point. I bet most IFBB pros have never used mdien, m1t or any designer for that matter, and pros from the 70s and 80s were already more muscular than 99% of people in this or any forum and all they used was test, deca and dbol.
     
    It's just that to get the kind of gains you can get from a moderate dose of m1t you'd need a very high dose of something weaker like epistane. And if you need like 100mg of epistane to match the lean mass and strength gains of 15mg of m1t, will the epistane route really be less harsh? I mean mg/mg I'm sure m1t is much worse but when you're taking 6+ times more of it I highly doubt it's not doing just as much damage.
     
    IMHO if you want big results using a stronger steroid actually delivers a better gains/sides ratio than megadosing a weaker steroid.
     
    For the record I've recently tried out M1T and can't see what all the fuss was about in terms of sides. I admit I've on been on it for a few weeks but while the effects so far have been very fast and noticeable, can't say the sides have been bad at all.
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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/17 13:05:16 (permalink)
    Uriel tell us more about your M1T cycle, dose, sides good bad etc?

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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/17 13:32:18 (permalink)
    Running 20mg ed with just 150mg of test E pw, about two weeks in now.
     
    Pros: strength is up, haven't increased the weights too much but they feel noticeably lighter, like I could easily add 20lbs to the bar on squats if I wanted to. Bodyweight is up some 5-10 pounds, hard to say exactly because I don't pay too much attention to the scale. Water retention is pretty neutral so far, not dry like winstrol but not very wet either (300mg of test E alone makes me hold more water). Solid perma-pump, muscles are always full and hard. Body fat is actually down, despite bulking. Libido is up.
     
    Cons: lots of hunger, which is not necessarily a bad thing but still a side, high body temperature but not in a tren-like dripping wet from walking up a flght of stairs way, waking up in the middle of the night once in a while, some heartburn, bugging my gyno a bit but nowadays everything seems to do that (keeping it under control with nolva).
     
    Probably gonna call it in this week though and use the rest in a few months (got plenty left), because I haven't been able to train properly lately. Tweaked my lower back a few weeks ago doing some squats and it's been bothering me since, I've been trying to work around it and still train but it's not getting any better so I'll just give it some rest. And kinda seems like a waste to do a cycle without training legs.
    post edited by Uriel - 2014/11/17 13:35:26
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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/17 15:15:27 (permalink)
    Uriel
    Running 20mg ed with just 150mg of test E pw, about two weeks in now.
     

     
    I thought the capsules came in 7.5mg how can you be running 20mg, are you snapping the tablets/capsules?
     
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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/17 15:27:42 (permalink)
    Dragon Nutrition isn't the only source of M1T ya know. I like their products myself but it was out of stock (seems they're always out of stock nowadays).
     
    I'm using Noble, theirs comes in 10mg.
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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/17 15:31:49 (permalink)
    Fair enough, how does the strength gains compare to d-bol? at a similar dose?
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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/17 15:54:50 (permalink)
    Not comparable to M1T at all. Dbol was more like a moderate dose of test in terms of gains, only with more sides. Hard to put into numbers but with M1T strength is going up well over twice as fast using half as much. 20mg of M1T feels pretty strong, 20mg of dbol is nothing, probably wouldn't know I was on it if not for the estrogen sides.
     
    Maybe I just didn't respond very well to dbol but I found it nearly useless. All I got from 40mg ed was a very mild performance boost, some nice pumps and sides, lots of sides even with 25mg of aromasin a day (pretty bad lethargy and bloat, sweating, loss of appetite and overall just feeling like sitting on the couch all day long - it was basically SD with bloat and without the big gains).
     
    Pointless steroid IMHO, might as well stick with plain test if you don't want to use anything harsh on your system. If it hadn't been widely used since the 60s and wasn't so easy to get and cheap, and instead was just invented and introduced to the market today, with all the good anabolics we have now it'd be a complete flop.
    post edited by Uriel - 2014/11/17 16:20:42
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    Re: M-dien or M1t 2014/11/19 01:33:25 (permalink)
    I gained 26lbs on 40mg of dbol. Haha. 
    Pissed out 14lbs in the first 3 days or so of pct.
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