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2014/10/14 17:53:14 (permalink)

Mdien or M40HN

Hi, looking at starting a cycle in next couple of weeks.

Want to put on some lean muscle, strength and possibly drop a bit of fat so looking at doing a lean bulk/ recomp.

Want it to be around 8 weeks long.

Mdien would be the more cost effective option as would only need 1 tub at 8mg a day for 50 days.

I've read that M04HN isn't that effective at lower dosages on its own, would it be effective at 50mg per day for a 185lber? That would be 2 tubs worth.

Thoughts?

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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/14 18:07:44 (permalink)
185lb 50mg - could be ok. M4OHN.

What bf% are you (to know your lean mass - are you really 185lb or 150lb under 35lb of fat.)

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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/14 18:12:40 (permalink)
In fact I've got my sums wrong, would need 3 tubs of M4OHN at 50mg per day.

I'm around 12% at 185lbs I believe
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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/14 18:16:59 (permalink)
Ok. I ran 60mg 8 weeks. Zero sides. Think i could have run 70mg or even 80mg. Got some crazy muscles when i had to take 40mg in one go early afternoon. Wondered what 80mg would be like.

50mg might be just ok (i am 250lb so 60mg min)

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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/14 19:16:06 (permalink)
KS_Manchester.
Got some crazy muscles when i had to take 40mg in one go early afternoon. Wondered what 80mg would be like.
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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/14 20:24:36 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2014/10/15 13:04:39
I usually took 20mg AM, 20mg afternoon, 20mg PM = 60mg.

On two occasions i took 20mg AM, 40mg afternoon, 0mg PM = 60mg.

On those two occasions the 40mg in one dose really pumped me up big time.

So.... i was wondering if 20mg, 20mg, 20mg, 20mg spread evenly = 80mg would have a similar effect as the 40mg spike but endured for the day?

The extra pump from 40mg lasted a good 2hrs. Who's to say the sweet spot is 60mg and not 80mg??

60mg = zero sides, so always a chance for higher dosing.

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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/14 20:25:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2014/10/15 13:04:45
60mg per day gave an excellent daily feel but in week 7 of 8, the 40mg was great fun!

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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/14 20:34:41 (permalink)
Interesting, I've never felt pumped after taking any orals. Maybe I'm just not very observant.
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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/15 11:19:09 (permalink)
Decided im going to go with mdien for 50 days, would have like to have tried M4OHN but can't really justify the price of 3 or 4 tubs.

I'm quite prone to gyno, so would something like formeron along side the mdien be a good idea?
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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/15 12:23:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2014/10/15 13:05:31
P5P
B6
Avocados
Nolva
Any Progestin inhibitor

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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/15 12:30:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2014/10/15 13:05:55
FALCAO9
Decided im going to go with mdien for 50 days, would have like to have tried M4OHN but can't really justify the price of 3 or 4 tubs.

I'm quite prone to gyno, so would something like formeron along side the mdien be a good idea?


Fair comment, but....

M4ohn = zero gyno and zero sides
Food budget for 8 weeks = £500 min
M4ohn budget for 8 weeks = £120 (3x £40)
PCT & Support = £100
Protein & Supplements = £150

So you're looking at £900 ish for an 8 week cycle anyway.

Whether you spend £120 or £40 on the steroids shouldn't be much of a deciding factor.

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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/15 13:06:31 (permalink)
yeah, also, other manufactures make m4ohn. but dragon is where it is at.
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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/15 14:05:04 (permalink)
Quite a broad statement that mate regarding cost of cycle.

Food not really a big expense personally apart from eating out as still living at home.

Only use creatine supplements wise.

Mdien 8 weeks - £30
Cycle support liver care / blood pressure £25
Pct - serm £25 + daa which already have

Less than £100 for the cycle itself. Mdien is great bang for buck really.

M4OHN on the list to try though, maybe next cycle.

With regards to possible gyno issues with Mdien, would p5p be enough to prevent this? If I'm right in thinking possible gyno would be progesterone related and not estrogen so transFORM wouldn't really be necessary?

Thanks again
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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/15 14:24:52 (permalink)
prolactin based gyno is only an issue in the presence of estrogen, high estrogen, IIRC, as this cycle would have very little natural estro and none from the compound, don't see it being an issue, but p5p etc good for a saftey net.
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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/15 14:46:07 (permalink)
In the steroid world it's normally accepted that gyno from non-aromatizing androgens is from progesterone/prolactin but I think there may be other mechanisms causing gyno that we simply don't know about yet.
 
It's true that progesterone is only supposed to amplify the effects of estrogen and doesn't actually cause them by itself, but the truth is I get gyno from mdien and mtren even in the total absense of estrogen. Many including myself get gyno from SD which does not aromatize and it's not supposed to have any progestational effect either.
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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/15 14:55:24 (permalink)
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In the steroid world it's normally accepted that gyno from non-aromatizing androgens is from progesterone/prolactin but I think there may be other mechanisms causing gyno that we simply don't know about yet.
 
It's true that progesterone is only supposed to amplify the effects of estrogen and doesn't actually cause them by itself, but the truth is I get gyno from mdien and mtren even in the total absense of estrogen. Many including myself get gyno from SD which does not aromatize and it's not supposed to have any progestational effect either.




on cycle of SD? Solo?
or after cycle?
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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/15 15:10:53 (permalink)
First time I used SD it was solo and towards the end I had a small lump under my right nipple. Didn't think too much of it at the time and it went away afterwards.
 
Later on I made the mistake of using SD, test and tren and that's why my gyno woes started. That was with a very low dose of test, mind you (like 150mg which is my typical cruise/TRT dose). Oddly I got gyno first on my left nipple and it was worse on that side, but since then it disappeared while the right one stuck around. Weird.
 
Now my gyno flares up from just the SD with test (even with just the 150mg). I also tried mdien with just that low dose of test, and bam, gyno pretty damn fast (stopped before finishing the first week!). I've also used mtren, with and without test. Even with no test (so no estrogen in me at all) 1mg of the stuff daily was enough to keep the lump under my right nipple swollen and hard.
 
Mtren only was actually the last thing I took and after that I went on test and arimidex. Within a week the lump was soft and down to like 1/3 of the size (that's with estrogen, not a lot of it but some).
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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/15 15:35:56 (permalink)
I would avoid all nors then buddy, mtren is a nasty thing IMHO.
SD. No idea.
Have you tried other compounds? M1T, Dbol etc?
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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/15 16:24:19 (permalink)
No M1T yet, but thinking of giving it a try.
 
Dbol I didn't take any chances and always ran with an AI. But even with 25mg of aromasin daily I bloated like a pig, nipples were a bit puffy but not much problem with lumps, it was probably just from the water. My gyno seems to be far more sensitive to these potent androgens than actual estrogen.
 
I got no negative effect on my gyno from masteron or winstrol, so clearly there's something very different between those and SD, even though in theory they're supposed to be very similar except for potency (hell SD is just methylated masteron, but obviously that makes a world of difference).
 
I bought the mtren more out of curiosity than anything, waste of money in retrospect. Way too harsh to use at a high enough dose or for long enough to see gains from it. It's just androgenic sides in a pill lol
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Re: Mdien or M40HN 2014/10/15 16:25:14 (permalink)
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Quite a broad statement that mate regarding cost of cycle.

Food not really a big expense personally apart from eating out as still living at home.

Only use creatine supplements wise.

Mdien 8 weeks - £30
Cycle support liver care / blood pressure £25
Pct - serm £25 + daa which already have

Less than £100 for the cycle itself. Mdien is great bang for buck really.

M4OHN on the list to try though, maybe next cycle.

With regards to possible gyno issues with Mdien, would p5p be enough to prevent this? If I'm right in thinking possible gyno would be progesterone related and not estrogen so transFORM wouldn't really be necessary?

Thanks again


So you eat your mums meat, if you excuse my french.

That's a lot of munching on your mums expense.

You don't drink protein shakes??

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