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2005/07/28 22:10:34 (permalink)
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Metabolism speeders?

Just wondering if there are any metabolic increasing supplements out there that anyone knows that are actually significantly effective; I have SUCH a slow metabolism and could do with shifting these last few lbs of fat and having an energy boost - I find it a job to getting the energy to go to the gym at the moment!

Any info appreciated.

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    ToxicToffee
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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/07/28 22:29:26 (permalink)
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    are you talking fat burners?

    ECAs

    hydroxytrim?

    stacks?
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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/07/28 23:45:53 (permalink)
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    On the subject i got some primaforce syneburn free with a order of whey and was just wondering if it would actually do anything it says it burns fat reduces appetite and increases energy.. but im always a bit sceptical about these things i work 12 hour days and sometimes its hard to get to the gym to do cardio..
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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/07/29 02:19:59 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: ToxicToffee

    are you talking fat burners?

    ECAs

    hydroxytrim?

    stacks?

    I have absolutely NO idea, that's why I'm asking.
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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/07/29 12:23:10 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: groovemeister

    Just wondering if there are any metabolic increasing supplements out there that anyone knows that are actually significantly effective


    Yes there are - such as an Ephedrine/Caffeine/Asprin stack though nothing will perfoem miracles. 95% of results will be down to diet/cardio/training/rest etc.


    I have SUCH a slow metabolism


    Not doubting you bro, but how can you be sure? Have you been tested? If so, what is your basal metabolic rate?


    and could do with shifting these last few lbs of fat and having an energy boost - I find it a job to getting the energy to go to the gym at the moment!


    Sounds like you should be looking to lifestyle factors before considering supplements bro. Perhaps you problems stem from inadequate sleep? inadequate diet (low carb maybe)?

    Have you ruled out these possibilities?


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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/07/29 14:20:23 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: groovemeister I have SUCH a slow metabolism


    Not doubting you bro, but how can you be sure? Have you been tested? If so, what is your basal metabolic rate?


    The fact that I hardly ever want to eat and that I'm having to force food down me even when I don't feel hungry just to get my daily protein intake is how I'm sure, I haven't had any tests though. The fact that I've had depession and been on meds which side effects include slower metabolism also all contribute to this conclusion, and the fact that I'm always lacking energy, even if I'm drinking lots of coffee/whatever.

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    ...and I could do with shifting these last few lbs of fat and having an energy boost - I find it a job to getting the energy to go to the gym at the moment!


    Sounds like you should be looking to lifestyle factors before considering supplements bro. Perhaps you problems stem from inadequate sleep? inadequate diet (low carb maybe)?

    Have you ruled out these possibilities?



    I sleep great, and for 8-10 hours every night. How much low carb could make me slow?

    My diet's here.
    post edited by groovemeister - 2005/07/29 14:21:00
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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/07/29 15:51:00 (permalink)
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    looking at your diet my man , I would suggest your problem lieth there ie you are eating like a 7 year old . I bet your slow metabolism problems stem from lack of cals .. if you start by eating a little more complex carbs esp in the morning your metabolism will start to rev up .. try a bowl of porridge first thing then try adding more complex carbs a little at a time ... should do it ! i remember I was like you didn't eat much and the less I ate the less I wanted to eat and the fatter I became ( coz I liked beer lol ) ..


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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/07/29 21:49:24 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: groovemeister

    Just wondering if there are any metabolic increasing supplements out there that anyone knows that are actually significantly effective;

    Any info appreciated.


    The one I used is called Triax by Syn Trax. It is a metabolic accelerator dietary supplement, a potent thyroid hormone analogue which raises the metabolc rate especially in conditions of dieting.

    The main ingredient is 1000mcg Tiratricol.

    Triax is often prescribed for obese people and used for reducing problematic areas of cellulite.
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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/07/29 21:51:20 (permalink)
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    I used to have a very slow methabolism. I dramatically changed my diet and eating habits. Then I took Triax and it worked.
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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/08/01 10:11:48 (permalink)
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    I would advise caution to anyone considering such a drug. Triax is a metabolite of your body's own thyroid hormone triiodothyronine (or T3). The body's own thyroid function is regulated via a 'feedback' mechanism so that in cases where it recognises circulatory levels becoming high, endogenous production is scaled back accordingly. Thus, when exogenously administering Triax (or indeed any of the other synthetic thyroid hormones, negative feedback will occur. Users MUST be aware of this and the implications that may arise.

    The following article is alarmist, and some passages are clearly incorrect. However, what it does is state the possible implications of use.

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    Tiratricol (3, 5, 3-triodothyroacetic acid) is a popular 'nutritional supplement' among bodybuilders and weightlifters, many of whom believe that the compound increases metabolism, spurs fat burning, upgrades body composition, and helps produce a 'cut' look. Such beliefs are not completely illogical, since tiratricol is a close chemical relative of triiodothyronine, a key hormone produced by the thyroid gland which in fact does boost metabolic rate. Tiratricol is widely available at health-food stores, is sold over the internet, and is particularly popular in Europe. It is marketed under the brand names Triax, Tri-Cuts, and Tricana.

    Unfortunately, a new report ('A Report of Hypothyroidism Induced by an Over-the-Counter Fat Loss Supplement (Tiratricol)', International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism, Vol. 13(1), pp. 112-116, 2003) indicates that regular tiratricol ingestion may be associated with some serious, negative, health consequences. The report documents the cases of two physically fit adults, a 39-year-old male athlete and a 40-year-old female weightlifter, who used tiratricol supplements and ultimately developed hypothyroidism (extreme inactivity of their thyroid glands). The male took 3000 to 4000 mcg of tiratricol per day for about one month and developed extreme fatigue, loss of appetite, sweats, chills, lethargy, and an inability to conduct his usual workouts.

    The female ingested 6000 mcg of tiratricol per day for 56 days while training four to five times a week and consuming a low-fat diet which was sufficient in protein and moderate in complex carbohydrate as part of an effort to lose weight and improve body composition. She was completely healthy prior to embarking on the tiratricol programme (and her thyroid function was totally normal) but developed decreased appetite and severe lethargy and began to gain weight, in spite of her relatively stringent diet and strenuous exercise programme.

    When the two athletes consulted with doctors to determine the cause of their symptoms, blood tests revealed that their levels of thyroid-stimulating hormone were incredibly low ­ less than .01 mU/litre (normal is .4 to 5.5 mU/litre). Thyroid-stimulating hormone is a key compound which 'gears up' the thyroid gland, causing it to release increased amounts of thyroid hormones, which ultimately heighten metabolism. When thyroid-stimulating-hormone levels are extremely low, the thyroid gland becomes relatively inactive, and weight gain and extreme fatigue are common consequences.

    What happened next?

    When the two athletes discontinued their tiratricol supplementation, it took five months for thyroid function to return to normal in the male athlete (!) and about 40 days for the female's thyroid action to come up to par. The new report, published by researchers at the Texas Health and Wellness Clinic in Houston, Texas, indicates that such adverse effects of tiratricol supplementation are all too common. Apparently, because of its close chemical similarity to triiodothyronine, tiratricol is a very potent inhibitor of thyroid-stimulating hormone. In the normal person, high levels of triiodothyronine would tend to decrease activity of the thyroid gland by inhibiting thyroid-stimulating hormone (as part of a 'negative-feedback' mechanism); otherwise, the thyroid gland might over-produce thyroid hormones such as triiodothyronine.

    When an athlete supplements with tiratricol, he/she does not have high levels of triiodothyronine, but the very similar tiratricol 'pinch-hits' for triiodothyronine and shuts the thyroid gland down. Making matters worse, although tiratricol is chemically similar to triiodothyronine, it does not have the latter's positive effects on metabolism, and its suppression of thyroid-stimulating hormone leads to decreased oxygen consumption, lowered heat production, and a reduced metabolic rate. As if that were not enough, tiratricol can actually increase laboratory readings (taken from blood tests) for triiodothyronine because it is cross-reactive with the triiodothyronine antibody. This can cause some doctors to believe that a patient has an overactive ('toxic') thyroid, even though in fact the thyroid has been shut down by tiratricol; improper therapeutic modalities may be employed as a result.

    The bottom line?

    Tiratricol is not a metabolic accelerator nor a fat-loss aid. Rather, it is a potent drug which is capable of inducing severe thyroid abnormalities in athletes who use it. There is a tremendous amount of hype surrounding tiratricol, with ads for the compound suggesting that the product burns incredible amounts of fat and produces dramatic improvements in muscle definition. However, the reality is that tiratricol supplementation should be avoided by all athletes.

    source: http://www.sportsinjurybulletin.com/archive/tiratricol.html



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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/08/01 14:33:15 (permalink)
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    Well, I'm just looking for something with no risk to help me get a bit of energy and lose a bit of weight, to get me back to a 'natural state'. If there are significant risks, iIll give it a miss.

    Thanks for the info Partyboy - anyone aware of anything else?
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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/08/01 14:35:12 (permalink)
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    IMO ECA is about the only thing that works ..

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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/08/01 15:12:17 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: PartyBoy

    I have SUCH a slow metabolism


    Not doubting you bro, but how can you be sure? Have you been tested? If so, what is your basal metabolic rate?



    I advice to get a thyroid panel before taking supps that affect the metabolism significantly.


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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/08/01 15:23:50 (permalink)
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    Maybe the new Melting Point from DS would be a better alternative when it is fully available .. initial results seem positive
    post edited by PartyBoy - 2005/08/01 21:01:50

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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/08/01 15:53:07 (permalink)
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    I am actaually having great success with Dicana at the mo. Shedding fat and getting ALOT stronger!!!!
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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/08/01 17:00:34 (permalink)
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    Regarding the articol on Triac, i would like to emphasize 2 points:
    1) Its very suppressive for the thyroid, more than T3.
    2) No one experienced PERMANENT hypothyroidism, the depressed gland lasted a few weeks and that's pretty normal in anyone who take it (dosage and lenght dependant).

    Of course triac is a drug and it has been marketed without enough caution.
    Last thing that is not told in that journal is that it is very catabolic, hence the assistance of AAS is strongly adviced.

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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/08/01 19:09:33 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: wannaBlean

    I am actaually having great success with Dicana at the mo. Shedding fat and getting ALOT stronger!!!!


    Dicana?
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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/08/01 20:34:54 (permalink)
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    http://www.supplement-select.co.uk/product/asp/ProdID/1184/CtgID/1049/af/page.htm

    Got the speil. Im running this along side Xplode Reload and my bench is screaming up(did a bit of a log if you search for xplode reload), whilst my bf is noticably going down-my bro noticed when he returned form a two week holiday that i was no longer "a bit of a fat ba***rd!!" as he put it.
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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/08/01 21:04:37 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: groovemeister

    Well, I'm just looking for something with no risk to help me get a bit of energy and lose a bit of weight, to get me back to a 'natural state'. If there are significant risks, iIll give it a miss.



    I would suggest and Eph+caffeine stack as discussed here:

    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/ECA_%28Epedrine%2C_Caffeine%2C_Aspirin%29/m_155953/tm.htm

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    RE: Metabolism speeders? 2005/08/03 15:25:34 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: wannaBlean

    http://www.supplement-select.co.uk/product/asp/ProdID/1184/CtgID/1049/af/page.htm

    Got the speil. Im running this along side Xplode Reload and my bench is screaming up(did a bit of a log if you search for xplode reload), whilst my bf is noticably going down-my bro noticed when he returned form a two week holiday that i was no longer "a bit of a fat ba***rd!!" as he put it.

    Thanks.



    ORIGINAL: PartyBoy


    ORIGINAL: groovemeister

    Well, I'm just looking for something with no risk to help me get a bit of energy and lose a bit of weight, to get me back to a 'natural state'. If there are significant risks, iIll give it a miss.



    I would suggest and Eph+caffeine stack as discussed here:

    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/ECA_%28Epedrine%2C_Caffeine%2C_Aspirin%29/m_155953/tm.htm



    Hmmm... very interesting. I think this may be just what I'm looking for; I'll have to look into it more later. Nice one.
    post edited by PartyBoy - 2005/08/03 18:33:03
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