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Micellar casein v Whey protein

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2007/06/12 15:15:19 (permalink)

Micellar casein v Whey protein

As i understand it micellar casein is taken at bedtime for a slower digesting protein before bedtime, where as whey is taken for a quick burst of protein usually PWO. The thing i dont quite understand is why not take your whey with skimmed milk before bedtime where the casein in the milk will slow down the digestion of the whey, looking at both cost and benefit. Has there been published research into the benefits of casein taken as a slower digesting protein if so are there any links.
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    RE: Micellar casein v Whey protein 2007/06/12 15:25:04 (permalink)
    sugars in milk ?



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    RE: Micellar casein v Whey protein 2007/06/12 15:26:12 (permalink)
    there is a cheaper option as well, east real food containing casein which in this case is all dairy based food like cottage cheeese, quark yogurt etc etc
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    RE: Micellar casein v Whey protein 2007/06/12 15:42:03 (permalink)
    are you really sure using tubs of quark is cheaper than scoops of casein ?

    I use both casein and whey myself, I mix a tub of quark with a scoop of whey and some flax oil and water every evening before bed. I feel I get a good mix of aminos and the benefit of slow release.



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    RE: Micellar casein v Whey protein 2007/06/12 15:46:34 (permalink)
    MPC 1kg £12 80% protein so 800g for £12

    Cottage cheese ASDA 200g smart price 23p 28g protein per pot so 800g/28 is 29 and 29 pots of CC is then £6.67 plus its a solid food so it will digest slower than powdered form. Plus cottage cheese is predominatly casein based wiht some whey left over, remember the little miss muffet story "eating her curds and whey" well this was actually cottage cheese. Quark works out about the same due to its high price tag but fat free fromage frais is also another money saver and makes a good change too, i believe its lower in lactose than quark as well
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    RE: Micellar casein v Whey protein 2007/06/12 17:53:17 (permalink)
    abit off the 1st question but i read afew days back on MyProteins forum that if you mixed different types of proteins together, they'd all digest at the same rate as the slowest one, ie Casein. This cant be true can it?

    also, what do most ppl eat/drink before bed?

    at the moment im eatting 250g CC with pineapple and 4 egg whites + i have an alarm set for 3am for a Casein & Whey shake rdy to just add water.
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    RE: Micellar casein v Whey protein 2007/06/12 18:02:49 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Clubber Lang


    i have an alarm set for 3am for a Casein & Whey shake rdy to just add water.


    good stuff mate, I have to make do with casein before bed as if I set an alarm for 3am my wife would kick me in the nuts!!!
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    RE: Micellar casein v Whey protein 2007/06/12 23:48:27 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Clubber Lang

    abit off the 1st question but i read afew days back on MyProteins forum that if you mixed different types of proteins together, they'd all digest at the same rate as the slowest one, ie Casein. This cant be true can it?

    also, what do most ppl eat/drink before bed?

    at the moment im eatting 250g CC with pineapple and 4 egg whites + i have an alarm set for 3am for a Casein & Whey shake rdy to just add water.



    If that were the case then taking milk with whey would slow it down to the digestion rate of casein due to the casein in the milk.... I don't think that this is the case and I'm not sure if there is any literature on the release profiles of casein/whey mixtures... I don't doubt casein slows down the digestion of whey but by how much I don't know and I'm sure it will depend on the ratio of the proteins too.

    I believe that you should aim to get all of your slow release protein from real food with whey being used to give you a PWO boost or for first thing in the morning... Casein may be ok as a meal replacement but not as good as whole food... A casein skake before bed wont do any harm though :)

    If any one has anecdotal information on the success of using casein/whey mixtures as a protein supplement I'd be glad to hear it.
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