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2015/02/04 20:57:10 (permalink)
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Mid Cycle Advice

Hey guys,
 
I'm not your typical steroid user and by that I mean I'm not a bodybuilder.
I'm 5'11" 300lbs around 30% bodyfat and compete in strongman, hence why i'm not bothered about weight or aesthetics.
 
I have run a few PH cycles before, the last been last year, I ran Epi and Trenavar and got some decent strength gains and kept about 14 lbs after PCT.
 
I figured with competitions starting soon this year that I would run a long cycle to aim to peak for a couple of comps. This is my first time using injectables.
 
I am currently 4 weeks in and have been running Test E (Renvex labs) at 550mg/wk but still feel like i'm waiting for this to 'kick'. As of this last week i'm also taking HCG 250iu EOD. I have some Tren A on hand as well but do not want to run this until my cycle feels stable.
 
I also just finished a 'kickstart' of Mechabol at 125mg ED and what a waste of money and liver tissue that has been, absolutely nothing at all from it.
 
The reason I need advice is that I have been running Arimidex at between 1mg - 0.5mg EOD and I feel terrible! So lethargic, no energy in the gym, can fall asleep really easily any time of day and as of yesterday my joints feel dry and achy. I've had no signs of gyno other than occasional slight itchiness which I imagine is to be expected. 
 
I'm worried that the Arimidex is killing too much estrogen and leaving me in a bad place however without bloods I'll never know! (Bloods appear a doddle in the US!).
 
 
Would it be advisable to drop the dose further, say 0.25mg EOD? OR
Given how **** I feel, stop taking an AI all together and see how I feel in a week or so? 
Is 550mg Test E and 750-1000iu HCG / week a high enough dose for serious aromatisation to take place?
 
I have Nolva on hand as well which would at least prevent gyno and allow estrogen levels to climb a bit but then that normally makes me tired too!
 
Cheers Guys.
 
 
 
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    Re: Mid Cycle Advice 2015/02/05 08:58:27 (permalink)
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    Why are you running adex in the first place? 

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    Re: Mid Cycle Advice 2015/02/05 09:52:57 (permalink)
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    Been running adex as my research led me to believe that running test and hcg would allow for a lot of aromatisation and therefore oestrogen related sides such as gyno.

    But this is what I'm trying to establish. Is it possible at the above doses that I might not actually need it?
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    Re: Mid Cycle Advice 2015/02/05 10:04:07 (permalink)
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    Is this your first test cycle?
     
    I'm no expert, but I would of suggested just having nolva on hand when you started the cycle for if you felt any nipple tingles really. Starting a cycle and throwing in Adex because you might need it isnt a good idea IMO. 
     
    I'd start would have started on just test alone, and if the nips flare up, use nolva. So much easier and less sides. Using meds for the sake of meds just muddies the water really.
     
    So drop it out IMO and see how you get on. Do you have nolva on hand?

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    Re: Mid Cycle Advice 2015/02/05 10:22:20 (permalink)
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    First cycle with test as a base yes, have always stuck with non aromatising compounds in past so never been an issue until now.
     
    Have plenty of nolva yes.
     
    Sounds like a plan dropping the AI and seeing how it goes. My primary concern is strength and energy and so far it's done nothing but sit me on my arse!
     
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    Re: 2015/02/05 10:57:42 (permalink)
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    With such high body fat I would still use adex if it was me, from what I know which isn't alot really but higher body fat = higher estrogen

    I didn't run an ai on my first cycle but now a sniff of test E and I get gyno

    Small dose of adex won't do any harm, prevention is better than cure - please stop me if I'm talking crap but it's from my experience.

    Adex won't crush estrogen, I've always been told in males it'll lower no more than by 50% so I always run .5 mg each day unless its really low dose test I'll use .5mg eod

    But I've never ran Hcg on cycle, I will be doing soon though.

    Plus adex will keep bloat down, it does keep my back from breaking out
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    Re: Mid Cycle Advice 2015/02/05 10:58:36 (permalink)
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    Agree with LoneWolf: Cut the Arimidex and just keep an eye out for Gyno.
    For gains you want some oestrogen and 550 mg Test Enth/week isn`t that likely to cause gyno issues.
    Four weeks in? you should be seeing some effect now. I  would be tempted to up the dose and see if this helps.
    I would continue with the HCG as you have it, it will help reduce any testicular atrophy.
    Academic I know, but personally I dont use orals for a kickstart I prefer to double up on the injectables for the first two weeks.
    I haven`t used Renvex myself but plenty of guys rate them. 
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    Re: Mid Cycle Advice 2015/02/05 11:36:45 (permalink)
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    You wouldn't take paracetamol every day just incase you was to get an headache same goes here keep an eye out for problems occurring and have the stuff on hand if it should!
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    Re: 2015/02/05 11:39:26 (permalink)
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    People take asrpin each day to prevent certain things.

    Adex is cheap and doesn't do any harm in small doses, it does crush estrogen it just manages it.

    Same reason people take small dose of Nolva throughout just a personal preference.

    30% body fat is pretty high, I'd expect to get gyno at some point
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    Re: 2015/02/05 12:00:15 (permalink)
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    Well if gyno does show its ugly self at some point at least I have both adex and nolva to hand.

    Either way the ai is doing me no good whatsoever at the moment. Only other thought I'd had was that the test might be bunk in which case of course the ai would make me feel like ****! But I've heard nothing but good reviews about the renvex stuff. Wish I hadn't bothered with the mechabol as its made it impossible to tell so far.
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    Re: 2015/02/05 12:25:04 (permalink)
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    Sure I seen the renvex for sale only a website, I don't know why but i just don't like the idea of labs have a Re seller and available all over the internet.

    I think my first cycle of test was bunk or really under dosed, it was testoviron and no sides no gyno
    Next cycle ugl and gyno within weeks
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    Re: 2015/02/05 12:30:08 (permalink)
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    Well if gyno does show its ugly self at some point at least I have both adex and nolva to hand.




    Again, if gyno does pop up I'd be inclined to just use nolva to keep it at bay... A little water on cycle isn't a bad thing for a strength athlete. 

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    Re: 2015/02/05 12:32:06 (permalink)
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    Yeah the test e and tren a was bought online through a source I've used a few times and so far has proven top notch. Both renvex labs and the source have excellent reviews on doing research. Guess I'll find out for sure soon enough whether or not it's the real deal
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    Re: 2015/02/05 12:50:59 (permalink)
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    "The reason I need advice is that I have been running Arimidex at between 1mg - 0.5mg EOD and I feel terrible! So lethargic, no energy in the gym, can fall asleep really easily any time of day and as of yesterday my joints feel dry and achy. I've had no signs of gyno other than occasional slight itchiness which I imagine is to be expected. "
     
    If I get these symptoms then low oestrogen is my first suspect. 
    Yes MGSM has some body fat but this doesn`t always mean that there is a higher chance of elevated oestrogen, this is subjective. 
    Hope things improve for you MGSM 

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    Re: 2015/02/05 14:16:25 (permalink)
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    My hips were feeling a little sore over the last few days, I've been using the steam room alot it helps with back pain and I think I've not been taking in enough water after
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