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Re: 2017/09/18 19:25:07 (permalink)
18/09/17 - UPPER:
Two weeks into PCT and showing a little loss in strength. But A LOT of loss in bodyweight. Still hoping it's water. Not sure how you can tell.
 
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Bench:
46kg x 15 warm-up
66 x 10 warm-up
110kg x 3
110kg x 2
100kg x 5
96kg x 3
74kg x 10
66kg x 10
 
Dumbbell flys:
20kg x 12
20kg x 12
20kg x 12
Bench Press: 46kg x 20 [for extra pump]
 
BACK
Barbell row
66kg x 12 warm-up
126kg x 7 plus one half rep
120kg x 8
116kg x 8
94kg x 12
 
Dumbbell row
30kg x 21
 
SHOULDERS
OHP:
26kg x 12 warm-up
62kg x 8
62kg x 3
56kg x 6
 
Side laterals:
14kg x 12
14kg x 12
14kg x 12
 
Time; 1hr 22mins.
 
Weight update - first thing out of bed, naked:
Weight before returning to bodybuilding October 2016: 170lbs.
Starting weight for this bulk [May 8, Osta only first]: 197lbs.
17/05/17: 200.6lbs
23/05/17: 200.2lbs
29/05/17: 202.2lbs.
05/06/17: 204.6lbs
12/06/17: 205.0lbs [ended osta/started test 13/06/17]
19/06/17: 211.4lbs.
26/06/17: 215.6lbs
01/07/17: 216lbs

10/07/17: 219.2lbs
17/07/17: 221.4lbs
24/07/17: 222.6lbs
31/07/17: 224.8lbs
06/08/17: 226.4lbs
15/08/17: 227.0lbs
21/08/17: 229.0lbs
28/08/17: 227.0lbs [official end of cycle]
04/09/17: 228.8lbs
08/09/17: STARTED 6-WEEK PCT
11/09/17: 224.9lbs
18/09/17: 220lbs
 
Few photos of me with post-training pump, two weeks into PCT. Promise these will be the last for a while:
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Re: 2017/09/18 19:27:34 (permalink)
Need to lose a bit of blubber but cant do anything about that right now.
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Re: 2017/09/18 19:34:57 (permalink)
If you are only losing a little strength then that is likely down to the water weight coming off that was A) giving you some weight to get behind he lifts and B) was helping protect the joints a bit etc. You gained 30lbs, over 2st..... even if 20lbs is water 10lb lean gains in a few months aint bad going

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Re: 2017/09/18 20:18:31 (permalink)
where is this blubber you keep talking about? You're a bit soft at best. You've got veins FFS

Unless it's on your belly? But all your pics have your arms strategically covering the belly so we don't know.

Stick a pic up of your tensed mid section. Some proper leg shots would be good to.

And as Lord Vest states, 30lb of gains will not all be muscle. But more then a kg a week imo is too fast.

What you should do now you're two weeks into pct is to draw a line. Discard all those other weigh-ins to the annals of your journal. If you keep referring back to when you were bigger it will make any further loss magnified.

What are you doing differently besides not jabbing? Has diet gone down that much?

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Re: 2017/09/18 20:51:11 (permalink)
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If you are only losing a little strength then that is likely down to the water weight coming off that was A) giving you some weight to get behind he lifts and B) was helping protect the joints a bit etc. You gained 30lbs, over 2st..... even if 20lbs is water 10lb lean gains in a few months aint bad going



Fair enough. Was trying to keep it positive - just wasn't sure such a fast drop was water or not, as I'm not sure how to tell exactly. Thanks mate.
 
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where is this blubber you keep talking about? You're a bit soft at best. You've got veins FFS

Unless it's on your belly? But all your pics have your arms strategically covering the belly so we don't know.

Stick a pic up of your tensed mid section. Some proper leg shots would be good to.

And as Lord Vest states, 30lb of gains will not all be muscle. But more then a kg a week imo is too fast.

What you should do now you're two weeks into pct is to draw a line. Discard all those other weigh-ins to the annals of your journal. If you keep referring back to when you were bigger it will make any further loss magnified. 

What are you doing differently besides not jabbing? Has diet gone down that much?

 
Do you mean a loss of more than kg a week is too fast to be water?
 
Bit soft at best - I'll take that! Yes, on belly and around pecs to the side. Not much on arms or legs.
Diet not changed that much, but less than 4000 a day now - more maintenance cals or just above.
It could be that this weight is above my genetic limit maybe...
We will see how the coming weeks turn out.
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Re: 2017/09/18 22:48:26 (permalink)
Yes. If diet is relatively similar, a Kilo a week is very fast. Eat some more.
Drink it if you have to. Stabilise.

And you mention reaching your genetic limit. It's plausible. Alan Aragon has a model to calculate such things (he researched it for his book girth control. Of course everyone is different but this model fits the average joe

Category • Rate of Muscle Gain
Beginner • 1-1.5% total body weight per month
Intermediate • 0.5-1% total body weight per month
Advanced • 0.25-0.5% total body weight per month

So a 150 pound beginner might be able to gain 1.5-2.25 pounds of muscle per month (18-27 pounds per year). After a year, as an intermediate at 170 pounds and might be capable of gaining 0.85-1.7 lbs per month (10-20 pounds per year ( 20 lbs being an exceptional gain). The next year as an advanced lifter at 180 he might only gain 0.5-1 lb per month (a true 1 lb/month gain in muscle mass for an advanced athlete is rare). So he might top out at 190-200 pounds or thereabouts after another couple years of training, and at 10% body fat, he’d have 170-180 pounds of lean body mass.

With all this science and calculators, I look at your pics, and I see huge traps, huge full muscle bellys, decent quad mass. I just do not think you've reached more then your body can genetically handle at 5'10"

Just eat more

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Re: 2017/09/19 12:49:42 (permalink)
Mate you are so far from fat! looking in awesome shape mate, well done!

 
 
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Re: 2017/09/19 12:58:30 (permalink)
So the take home message here mate is to stop being a massive bellend. Seriously, just calm down a bit, you're making fantastic progress and already have a pretty decent physique. There are only so many times people can say it to you, you have to start believing it yourself.
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Re: 2017/09/19 18:44:29 (permalink)
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Yes. If diet is relatively similar, a Kilo a week is very fast. Eat some more.
Drink it if you have to. Stabilise.

And you mention reaching your genetic limit. It's plausible. Alan Aragon has a model to calculate such things (he researched it for his book girth control. Of course everyone is different but this model fits the average joe

Category • Rate of Muscle Gain
Beginner • 1-1.5% total body weight per month
Intermediate • 0.5-1% total body weight per month
Advanced • 0.25-0.5% total body weight per month

So a 150 pound beginner might be able to gain 1.5-2.25 pounds of muscle per month (18-27 pounds per year). After a year, as an intermediate at 170 pounds and might be capable of gaining 0.85-1.7 lbs per month (10-20 pounds per year ( 20 lbs being an exceptional gain). The next year as an advanced lifter at 180 he might only gain 0.5-1 lb per month (a true 1 lb/month gain in muscle mass for an advanced athlete is rare). So he might top out at 190-200 pounds or thereabouts after another couple years of training, and at 10% body fat, he’d have 170-180 pounds of lean body mass.

With all this science and calculators, I look at your pics, and I see huge traps, huge full muscle bellys, decent quad mass. I just do not think you've reached more then your body can genetically handle at 5'10"

Just eat more



These posts are brilliant. Much appreciated. 
I had lowered cals to maintenance or just above using the Harris Benedict formula, so about 3200 to 3500 a day. But as of yesterday I increased to 4000 again.
I must stress I'm not a quivering wreck over the loss - I fully expected to lose a little weight. I'm just trying to find out why it has been so fast and if some of it could be muscle. Then I will know where I stand going forward; if it's worth supplementing with another cycle in January or not. But I'm still riding my new-found confidence and belief in myself.
Going to have to measure tendon length etc etc to see if you're right on the full muscle bellies front... Huge thanks for compliment, much appreciated.
PS: I think I'm 5ft9...
 
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Mate you are so far from fat! looking in awesome shape mate, well done!

 
Thanks Ox - I meant I carry a little flab around the muscles and on the gut. I'm about 15% with callipers. Been practising the vacuum pose!
 
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So the take home message here mate is to stop being a massive bellend. Seriously, just calm down a bit, you're making fantastic progress and already have a pretty decent physique. There are only so many times people can say it to you, you have to start believing it yourself.

 
I've made it my life's work to be a massive bellend and I'll have you know I'm quite good at it! 
 
I hear you Newcy. I really wasn't worrying though - I just wanted a bit of a steer on whether such a rapid loss was muscle and water or just water. Yes, I am pleased with my progress and my upper body. But it is a fact that I'm a little soft around the middle!

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Re: 2017/09/19 18:51:27 (permalink)
19/09/17: LOWER
 
Squats:
46kg x 10 warm-up
66kg x 10 warm-up
86kg x 10
125kg x 5
120kg x 6
100kg x 8
 
BB calf raise:
100kg x 21
100kg x 21
100kg x 21
 
SLDL:
90kg x 10
115kg x 10
115kg x 10
 
Time: 53mins.
 
*I have some creatine left over from a while back - worth taking during PCT?
 
**I also have some remaining osta. Worth using 5mg a day too during PCT or not?
 

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Re: 2017/09/19 19:08:06 (permalink)
Creatine is always worth taking, no need to come off, just keep taking it

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Re: 2017/09/19 19:09:44 (permalink)
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Creatine is always worth taking, no need to come off, just keep taking it



OK mate thanks.
 
Forgot to add: Morning bodyweight: 221.2lbs.

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Re: 2017/09/20 08:36:35 (permalink)
Don't take Osta during pct ffs!

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Re: 2017/09/20 10:27:05 (permalink)
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Don't take Osta during pct ffs!


Only double checking...

Morning body weight: 222.4lbs...

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Re: 2017/09/20 19:39:08 (permalink)
Yes osta during pct is not a good idea mate.

 
 
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