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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/11 10:53:38 (permalink)
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Trying to do some serious googling today. 'Unofficially' weighed myself this morning, post toilet, pre food and stark naked and I'm up in weight slightly. 98.7kg. I have no fvcking idea what is going on with my body right now. Calories remain clean and low. Not higher than 2500. Likely about 2300. This is why I'm thinking about cutting carbs further for a few days to see what happens. Condition appears the same.

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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/11 11:04:23 (permalink)
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Drop the DBOL. It is not for cutting.

Just do a nice little 250g test for the muscle preservation

Do you want to go below 2300? Do you want to live like a sparrow?

Increase your output. 15 min - 20min on a bike is nothing. I’m walking ‘fast or brisk ’ for about 2 hours a day. If you can’t do this, do some HITT

Always increase output before cutting cals.. you need to have somewhere to go when shiit stalls.

While I’m a fan of low carb, this is just personal for me as I ‘feel’ better on it and it helps me manage my hunger. But end of the day, it’s about calories. Cutting carbs while keeping same calories will have little to no effect bar some water loss. And when that’s gone in 4-5 days you’re still in the same position.

I told you about 3 weeks you should be targeting your carbs around workouts only. Don’t have any early if you train late, don’t have any late if you train early. But you’re still having them every meal. Try that first before cutting them completely
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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/11 11:50:41 (permalink)
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Also when was the last time you had a high calorie day? You never talk about cheat meals ? They are important. Science you see
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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/11 11:59:02 (permalink)
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Trying to do some serious googling today. 'Unofficially' weighed myself this morning, post toilet, pre food and stark naked and I'm up in weight slightly. 98.7kg. I have no fvcking idea what is going on with my body right now. Calories remain clean and low. Not higher than 2500. Likely about 2300. This is why I'm thinking about cutting carbs further for a few days to see what happens. Condition appears the same.


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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/11 12:52:38 (permalink)
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Nice dirty humungous burger, steak and chips - my cheat meal of choice *Salivating now*

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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/11 16:50:41 (permalink)
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Drop the DBOL. It is not for cutting.

Just do a nice little 250g test for the muscle preservation

Do you want to go below 2300? Do you want to live like a sparrow?

Increase your output. 15 min - 20min on a bike is nothing. I’m walking ‘fast or brisk ’ for about 2 hours a day. If you can’t do this, do some HITT

Always increase output before cutting cals.. you need to have somewhere to go when shiit stalls.

While I’m a fan of low carb, this is just personal for me as I ‘feel’ better on it and it helps me manage my hunger. But end of the day, it’s about calories. Cutting carbs while keeping same calories will have little to no effect bar some water loss. And when that’s gone in 4-5 days you’re still in the same position.

I told you about 3 weeks you should be targeting your carbs around workouts only. Don’t have any early if you train late, don’t have any late if you train early. But you’re still having them every meal. Try that first before cutting them completely

Also when was the last time you had a high calorie day? You never talk about cheat meals ? They are important. Science you see



I'll increase my output. I take it 15 or 20min cardio on top of training isn't enough.

 
No, I haven't quite got a handle on managing the carbs around workouts etc yet. Not going to be able to perform two hours of cardio each day though, so I will have to find a suitable HIT alternative.
 
I want to keep the dianabol for now.
 
There is never a high calorie day. Not at the moment. Today, however, I had a sausage sandwich at lunchtime. Buttered wholemeal bread and tomato sauce. But that is not going to put me in a surplus. I don't tend to have cheat meals per se. Sometimes, I might have two or three Quality Street that are still lying around from Christmas but, again, nothing to put me in a surplus.
 
I'm certain I'm not putting on fat so I can only assume I am holding a shed load of water, even on 20mg dianabol and 150mg PW TRT. So in theory I could be losing muscle but gaining loads of water and keeping the same amount of fat.  Thin line between negativity and reality. [Not getting weaker yet though]. Either that or I'm genetically gifted and currently losing fat and gaining a little muscle and water in a slight recomp. Like I said, thin lines/reality...
 
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Same. 101cm. No increase.

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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/11 17:02:52 (permalink)
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I still say dbol should have been fine at 15mg tops.
 
Cals are very low, don't drop more, increase expenditure. This should have been better balanced initially IMO too.
 
Fuel for your sessions, so pre and post workout. Trickle feed outside of that in terms of energy consumption.
 
I don't end out doing hours of cardio but when I cut I do do something everyday. If time is limited then HIIT is the way, SSCV for 15-20min will hardly burn 150 cals and have no EPOC effect at all (not that that will drastically change things but it will help). Then on your 'off' days try and get a slightly longer cardio session in, 40mins perhaps.

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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/11 18:18:29 (permalink)
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I still say dbol should have been fine at 15mg tops.
 
Cals are very low, don't drop more, increase expenditure. This should have been better balanced initially IMO too.
 
Fuel for your sessions, so pre and post workout. Trickle feed outside of that in terms of energy consumption.
 
I don't end out doing hours of cardio but when I cut I do do something everyday. If time is limited then HIIT is the way, SSCV for 15-20min will hardly burn 150 cals and have no EPOC effect at all (not that that will drastically change things but it will help). Then on your 'off' days try and get a slightly longer cardio session in, 40mins perhaps.




I could start cutting tabs and reducing dianabol to 15mg per day. But I don't see the point really at three weeks into six [?].
 
I'm trying to do 'something' every day. For what it's worth, the LCD monitor on my bike says the 20mins on bike I did last night burnt more than 250 calories.
 
I will keep cals. Handle carbs better and increase output.
 
But what's the general consensus on the weight gain - water?

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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/11 18:25:11 (permalink)
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Water from dbol should have stabilised out, however, there can still always be fluctuations caused by diet and training etc so it's entirely possible

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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/11 18:55:34 (permalink)
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Water from dbol should have stabilised out, however, there can still always be fluctuations caused by diet and training etc so it's entirely possible



OK. I'm assuming that's what it is. More interested than anything else. Condition has not worsened and is a little improved so nothing to worry about as such, I just like to know what's going on. Learning about my body and genetics all the time. At least I think I am.

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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/11 23:15:19 (permalink)
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You started dieting around the beginning of December. You were on 2500kcals then.. mate go and have a cheat meal ffs. 5000kcals.. smash a curry in or something.. your metabolism will eventually try to stabilise it’s self. The body is always fighting to go back to homeostasis. Your leptin will be low, ghrelin will be high. Higher calories days should be factored each week or 2 to prevent these hormones going out of wack. This is why I prefer to calorie cycle.. a few days of hard dieting, refeed.. a few more.. makes it easier, the body doesn’t get used it.

To increase output.. yes look at hit, but also look at your weights workout.. Supersets, giant sets etc.. when my weight loss slows I’m going to be doing some cardio-acceleration training (ala Jim Stoppani).. Cardio-acceleration is doing intervals of cardio (usually 30-60 seconds) in between sets of resistance exercise. So for example, on chest day, you would do one set of the bench press. Then instead of sitting on your butt for a full 2-3 minutes doing nothing, you perform 30-60 seconds of cardio.(step ups, Skipping, KB swings etc)- Keeping that heart rate up..

You don’t have to be able to do hours of walking or biking..
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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/12 00:27:47 (permalink)
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Cardio done. Earphones in. Yates with Rogan. 40min bike. Night.

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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/12 12:57:49 (permalink)
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You started dieting around the beginning of December. You were on 2500kcals then.. mate go and have a cheat meal ffs. 5000kcals.. smash a curry in or something.. your metabolism will eventually try to stabilise it’s self. The body is always fighting to go back to homeostasis. Your leptin will be low, ghrelin will be high. Higher calories days should be factored each week or 2 to prevent these hormones going out of wack. This is why I prefer to calorie cycle.. a few days of hard dieting, refeed.. a few more.. makes it easier, the body doesn’t get used it.

To increase output.. yes look at hit, but also look at your weights workout.. Supersets, giant sets etc.. when my weight loss slows I’m going to be doing some cardio-acceleration training (ala Jim Stoppani).. Cardio-acceleration is doing intervals of cardio (usually 30-60 seconds) in between sets of resistance exercise. So for example, on chest day, you would do one set of the bench press. Then instead of sitting on your butt for a full 2-3 minutes doing nothing, you perform 30-60 seconds of cardio.(step ups, Skipping, KB swings etc)- Keeping that heart rate up..

You don’t have to be able to do hours of walking or biking..



I had a curry on Christmas Eve. But to be honest, I would have adjusted macros earlier in the day to compensate. But it was purely chicken tikka masala with special fried rice. Nothing else. I will start to factor in a high calorie day each week.
I'll also look at the cardio acceleration. But to fair, I'm never sitting between sets. Always pacing or, as gay as it sounds, posing/tensing in the mirror.
 
Despite little weight loss on the scales, I feel smaller in clothes and I'm arguably in a similar/better condition. Weird.
 
I could reduce or drop the dianabol and replace for the final three weeks with some anavar I have left over. Will check how much I have left. Also have some osta but the less said about that the better...
 
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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/12 13:09:09 (permalink)
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Feeling smaller in clothes is a start, I will empathise with it being a somewhat depressing start to know things are moving the right way but you'll turn that corner soon

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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/12 14:05:47 (permalink)
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Decent leg session there mate.

 
 
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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/12 19:46:51 (permalink)
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tbh there is really no such thing as a cutting or not ped... (as in aas)... its more down to diet and training ime... Animal is spot on with the cheat meal thing and the stupid body trying to maintain its homeostasis...
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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/12 21:13:29 (permalink)
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Do what Animal says for the love of p1ss mate.
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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/13 07:53:13 (permalink)
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Cheat meal here and there won't hurt mate. I saved them for going out nights.
 
Congrats on the 'swole' comment though! Good stuff mate!
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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/13 13:44:52 (permalink)
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Feeling smaller in clothes is a start, I will empathise with it being a somewhat depressing start to know things are moving the right way but you'll turn that corner soon

 
It's my tummy in clothes that feels particularly smaller.

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Decent leg session there mate.

 
Yeah, was OK. Wanted to finish with some arms but ran out of time.
 
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Do what Animal says for the love of p1ss mate.

 
Oh I will. Simply because there is nothing in the world I like more dear boy than p1ss.
 
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Cheat meal here and there won't hurt mate. I saved them for going out nights.
Congrats on the 'swole' comment though! Good stuff mate!



Going out nights? That rings a bell. But you'll have to remind me what they are again.
'Swole' is a distant memory. Last night I put on a Lee Priest DVD and the comments were: 'That is disgusting. I can't watch this. If you get like that I will divorce you.'
Don't think there is any chance of getting like Priest even if I was hell bent on a divorce.
 
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Curiosity got the better of me again today. Starting to wonder if I'm measuring properly...:
 
Waist: 100cm [-1cm]
 
Weight: 99.5kg [+1.1kg]
 
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Have some of Dorian Yates' Black Bombs that were sent to me to try ages ago. Worth taking these or not?
 
 
post edited by Eugene - 2018/01/13 17:51:01

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Re: Mid-life crisis 2018/01/14 00:51:51 (permalink)
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Home late, up early for work so only 20min cardio bike tonight.

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