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2007/06/18 01:15:21 (permalink)
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More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed)

I've just installed a new card on my system (x1950 Pro 512 MG AGP). The problem is it just keeps on crashing while I'm playing games. Sometimes It recovers to desktop but mostly I need to reset the computer.

I've just reinstalled the lastest catalyst drivers (7.5) after deleting everything to do with them (system and system 32 files and ran RegSupreme to eliminate registry entries).

My system....

P4 3.2 800fsb 1mg Presott S478

Not sure about hyperthreading ?

Antec truepower 480 W

2 gig PC3200 DD400

Maxtor 250 GB 7200 SATA 16 mg Cache

Soundblaster Audigy2 ZS 7.1 THX

My previous graphics card was a X850 XT and ran fine until a about six months ago when it suddenly started crashing (in the same way but not quite so frequent).

Cheers

Jazz
post edited by Jazz - 2007/06/18 01:18:13
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    cu3ed
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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/18 01:27:34 (permalink)
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    Can you use the Catylst centre and use the older drivers (the ones before the current ones?)
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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/18 01:39:48 (permalink)
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    I did use 7.2 before but it kept on crashing so upgraded to 7.5. You think I should uninstall just the drivers (7.5) and replace with 7.4 ?

    Is that because there are less bugs with previous drivers ?

    What about using Omega Drivers ?

    Also are there any good progams to test the stability of the card ? I've heard ATI Tool is good but seems a little out of date ?

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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/18 01:47:12 (permalink)
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    try the omega drivers mate, i find them to be a lot more stable than the stuff nvidia keeps putting out. Not sure about ATI, cant hurt to try though...

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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/18 10:24:01 (permalink)
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    The Ati tool is great mate, makes overclocking it soo damn easy too, I would still use it personally.

    Try the omega drivers, if sommin keeps tripping it up would have to look what else could be doing it.

    TBH could be anything, whats the motherboard?
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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/18 10:56:09 (permalink)
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    Do you know what temp your machine is running at?

    I have an x800 XT and I when I used to play games at hi res on it the core temp of the machine went through the roof. It did crash on occasions. It wasn't until I installed a couple of extra fans that it stabilised.

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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/18 14:30:03 (permalink)
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    Does it only crash when you are playing games? Games make your computer work harder than just desktop tasks/internet browsing, and causes your PC to produce a good amount of heat. If it crashes right away in games - that is more than likely a driver issue. If it works fine for a bit, and then starts crashing, that is more than likely a heating issue. I always do a "burn-in" when installing new hardware to detect any kinks. This essentially means just running a stress test to make your computer work hard for an extended period. I usually just use 3dmark, and have it loop for atleast an hour.

    shut up and lift
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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/18 15:38:38 (permalink)
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    Yep it tends to be fine for a while then crashes and only while playing games. generally once it crashes it will do so more often. I thought I'd solved the problem when I reinstalled the drivers since it went for nearly two hours without a problem then crashed repeatably.


    Do you know what temp your machine is running at?


    Is there an in built program in windows where I can find this out ?

    My motherboard is a Gigabyte GA-8IG not sure of the exact model number

    09/08/2004-i865G-6A79AG0KC-00 is the Motherboard ID (using Everest) if that's any help. I haven't updated my motherboard drivers or Bios since I bought the computer.

    http://tw.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=1760 I think that's my motherboard I think (I used the motherboard driver cd to find the model number)
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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/18 15:58:37 (permalink)
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    what passive cooling do you have in the Pc? IE Case fans.

    Did you play games that where as CPU intensive before you got the new card, i assume you gave the heatsonk a good cleanout when you installed everything.

    To check you CPU TEMPS go here http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/392/mirrors.php your donwloand Intel TAT, which is the most accurate as we can find right now.

    Will give you the actual core reading not the Motherboard reading.
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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/18 23:27:53 (permalink)
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    Ok I have two fans one above the heat sink and another at the back of the case, neither seem particulary 'special'. As for games I've been mostly playing BF2 and it's only in the last six months I've noticed the game crashing with my old graphics card.


    I installed the temp monitoring program which came with the motherboard. (TAT wouldn't work with my motherboard). It showed the temp to be quite high (65-75 deg when not running any programs) and the fan speeds might be low (they were less than the preset settings of 3000 RPM).

    I decided to give the sink a little clean out. I'd never done this before and when resetting the processor I bent some of the pins (didn't realise you're supposed to remove the heat sink from the processor before you reset the chip). I thought I'd straighten the pins out and try again but snapped one of them so I presume it's time for a new processor ?

    I think I know what to do to install the processor now. I'll have to remember to put the chip in first then attach the heat sink rather than 'bang' the whole thing into place.

    Cheers

    Jazz

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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/19 00:48:45 (permalink)
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    Your crashing after fitting the new gfx card was quite possibly your psu unable to cope with your gfx upgrade.I have seen this same scenario several times.Try to borrow a very good psu for testing or buy a new one and if it doesn't fix it,send it back.As for the broken cpu pin,you have a very good possability that it was only an earth and may not be required to run at all,and you can forget it.Failing that a good jeweller should be able to repair the broken pin if you were so inclined.Finally,please be sure to thoroughly clean the cpu and heatsink mating faces with isopropyl alchohol,then apply fresh thermal paste to cpu heatspreader before refitting cpu and heatsink.
    post edited by Thickbrit - 2007/06/19 00:52:44
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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/19 01:07:29 (permalink)
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    Jesus christ lol, WTF where ya doing lol

    Anyways yes your PC has most likly been cutting out due to the ridiculous high temps, get a new P4 and then get a Zalaman Heat sink fan and Artic Silver paste (the goo that carries the heat from the CPU to the Heat sink.

    Your Intel should be sitting around the 35-45 mark.

    3000rpm? are you quite sure about that, thats..well...umm.....im surprised the case doesnt move along with RPM's of that speed TBH lol.
    ORIGINAL: Jazz

    Ok I have two fans one above the heat sink and another at the back of the case, neither seem particulary 'special'. As for games I've been mostly playing BF2 and it's only in the last six months I've noticed the game crashing with my old graphics card.


    I installed the temp monitoring program which came with the motherboard. (TAT wouldn't work with my motherboard). It showed the temp to be quite high (65-75 deg when not running any programs) and the fan speeds might be low (they were less than the preset settings of 3000 RPM).

    I decided to give the sink a little clean out. I'd never done this before and when resetting the processor I bent some of the pins (didn't realise you're supposed to remove the heat sink from the processor before you reset the chip). I thought I'd straighten the pins out and try again but snapped one of them so I presume it's time for a new processor ?

    I think I know what to do to install the processor now. I'll have to remember to put the chip in first then attach the heat sink rather than 'bang' the whole thing into place.

    Cheers

    Jazz



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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/20 15:57:32 (permalink)
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    I can't seem to find the right processor anywhere

    I need a P4 3.2 800fsb 1mg Presott S478 and nobody seems to stock them anymore.....

    Any one know of anywhere ?

    Thanks

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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/20 16:14:30 (permalink)
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    Ebay?
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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/21 00:14:08 (permalink)
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    Found one on www.pcupgrade.co.uk but it's £125 which seems a little steep to me.

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-P4-3-4GHz-HT-1MB-800FSB-SL8K4-Prescott-Socket-478_W0QQitemZ300121518784QQihZ020QQcategoryZ80143QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    Found this 3.4 processor for £100 but not sure if it's compatible. Went to a computer shop today and they said the most my motherboard can take is a 3.2. I'm not sure though ?

    http://www.giga-byte.co.uk/Support/Motherboard/CPUSupport_Model.aspx?ClassValue=Motherboard&ProductID=1760&ProductName=GA-8IG1000%20Pro-G Seems to suggest a 3.4 HT (northwood) is ok no mention of a Prescott (HT) though ?

    Also went to Pc World but they thought I had a 755 when i showed it to them (even though it had pins and a 755 doesn't).
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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/21 00:16:06 (permalink)
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    prescott is a slightler new style of chip so I sont think it will work no, i can tunderstand why the Northwood is hard o find, i know they dont make them anymore but this is stupid.

    Just checked about an it would appear northwood is completly gone even Prescotts are nowhere to be found.think ebay is the only option now.
    post edited by cu3ed - 2007/06/21 00:18:28
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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/21 00:31:46 (permalink)
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    Sorry mine is a Prescott. My motherboard only seems to support a 3.2 Prescott (HT) it seems. It does seem to support Pentium 4 Extreme Edition but I guess that's not such a good processor since it's lower down the list and doesn't have HT ?

    I can't find anything on Ebay though I'll keep looking
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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/21 00:39:03 (permalink)
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    Right sorry, so the socket is "478", then....yea not many kicking about im afriad, ill take allo around but I dont think you can get them new anymore TBH.
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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/21 01:01:46 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: cu3ed
    3000rpm? are you quite sure about that, thats..well...umm.....im surprised the case doesnt move along with RPM's of that speed TBH lol.


    My CPU fans runs at 3300rpm and it's not even noisy, stock AMD fan.

    Jazz perhaps this will work in your pc?

    http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?il-c428478&P=1
    post edited by Paracelsus - 2007/06/21 01:07:57
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    RE: More Graphics Card Problems (expert advise needed) 2007/06/21 01:10:18 (permalink)
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    aye, I thought maybe his case fans he was talking about.
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