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2014/11/02 19:00:08 (permalink)

Most under-rated supplements

Just interested to know which products people have seen good results with but aren't necessarily those that other people believe in?
I'm a massive fan of ZMA, but I know others who wouldn't entertain the idea. I've also got a mate who loves his 'test boosters' like Tribulus, but I've never seen much point. 
Horses for courses obviously and some are completely placebo, but interesting to know what you all take religiously.

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Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/02 19:44:23 (permalink)
Vitamin C is very underrated.
 
Vitamin D3 for myself also.
 
I could put a spin on the question and rather than say what is underrated also say which I highly rate
Citruline Malate and Beta Alanine in high quantities would be 2 that I like.
 
The general public may not know much about agmatine sulphate but in at least 1g doses I rate it for a good pump.



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Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/02 21:27:12 (permalink)
Vitamin C is a good shout, useful for a number of reasons
I see what you mean about spinning the question. I guess it's interesting to hear about those supplements that not everyone is clued in to. Agmatine being a good example.

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Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/03 12:41:17 (permalink)
Yeah good ones from Redwing.
Most "over-rated" would be easier lol
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Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/03 14:55:56 (permalink)
creatine o phosphate (it's not a different type of creatine mono!). Some pre workouts have it in.

It helps push out a couple of reps here and there, recovery in between sets is also better.

You can also buy it on its own -
http://www.powermyself.co...te-90-caps-500-mg.html
post edited by Nicky p - 2014/11/03 14:57:40
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Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/03 15:06:14 (permalink)
Why do people think vitamin C is under-rated?  As a supplement, I think it's over-rated.
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Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/03 15:11:00 (permalink)
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Why do people think vitamin C is under-rated?  As a supplement, I think it's over-rated.




Maybe because people don't eat enough fruit & veg so don't have much daily intake, i don't really rate it either as it is water soluble so you literally pis away and more then your body needs.
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Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/03 15:21:46 (permalink)
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Why do people think vitamin C is under-rated?  As a supplement, I think it's over-rated.




Maybe because people don't eat enough fruit & veg so don't have much daily intake, i don't really rate it either as it is water soluble so you literally pis away and more then your body needs.


Reminds of that animal pak fad (it's still used in some circles but a few years back everyone was on it). People would take half a dozen caps of **** they didn't need, piss way 90% of the water soluble stuff 30 minutes later and then let the lipid-soluble vitamins build up in their livers to the point of toxicity (try getting through people's thick skulls that there is such as too much of a good thing).
 
For someone with a decent diet just about all nutritional supplements are overrated. Even that stuff that can be useful, like whey protein, creatine or bcaas, you can perfectly do without and still make good gains.
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Re: AW: Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/03 17:56:49 (permalink)
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creatine o phosphate (it's not a different type of creatine mono!). Some pre workouts have it in.

It helps push out a couple of reps here and there, recovery in between sets is also better.

You can also buy it on its own -
http://www.powermyself.co...te-90-caps-500-mg.html

Too expensive.Better look into Peak Beta+ from molecular nutrition.and then stack with their x-factor.Another decent one is prototype nutrition e-cop.Btw has anyone tested pump spray?Its great for strength and body comp.ATM im experimenting with epicatechin.
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Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/03 18:22:26 (permalink)
James
Why do people think vitamin C is under-rated?  As a supplement, I think it's over-rated.




Id say because the studies ive read its good for lowering Cortisol levels.
 
People who say you piss it out yes of course but no one has said take it in massive doses altogether id suggest small amounts through the day.
 
There are Many studies ill post a few below.
 
And before anyone is suggesting im saying its some wonder supplement im not, the question by the OP was a simple one. what supplement do you think is underrated?  I merely suggested Vitamin C as most gym goers ignore it totally.
 
 
some decent studies here
http://www.poliquingroup.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/1061/Take_Vitamin_C_Post-Workout_To_Lower_Cortisol_Reco.aspx
 
You Tube vid Dr Brett Emrey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtD7ftKMOQs
 
another from Livestrong.
 
http://www.livestrong.com...ge-to-reduce-cortisol/
 
as I say Many studies showing the effects of a cheap yet effective supplement.
 
http://www.fitnessrxwomen...s-to-control-cortisol/
post edited by redwing - 2014/11/03 18:26:09



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Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/04 09:46:25 (permalink)
James
Why do people think vitamin C is under-rated?  As a supplement, I think it's over-rated.


I guess part of it is what you are expecting to see from the actual supplement. Vitamin C is important for a number of reasons. There is good evidence for it supporting the immune system, fighting oxidative stress and increasing mineral absorption. Whilst you may not notice these effects, they are obviously quite important.
I'd imagine the majority of supplements that people take are those that actually show some kind of physical effect as people perceive this to be important and they expect some reward for what they consume.

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Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/06 10:18:49 (permalink)
I think peptopro isnt given the acknowledgement it deserves, immediately its expensive and for someone at my training level it might not be THAT beneficial. However someone preparing for contests and every little edge counts this could be a useful addition.
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Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/06 10:50:35 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby IamRich 2014/11/09 17:14:46
over rated would be anything that gives the idea it boosts testosterone for any kind of benefit.
For the average joe with ok test ranges the body WILL counteract any inbalances of hormones sending signals to the hypothalamus to decrease the production of GnRH so LH and FSH will no longer be released = no stimulation for the leydig cells = shut off of testosterone production to bring levels down. Even if test boosters worked to any certain level, the body will just slap this down...hence why gear is up and over any natural levels the body can produce and restrict.
 
Necking all the OTC herbal supps wont help you IMO... 
 
ZMA - Might assist a good nights sleep, just an over priced vitamin tablet. As above, the body regulates hormone production to a tee so ZMA wont matter a jot in real world terms.
 
People will believe their snake oil supplements work rather than actually evaluate their worth as they have paid £20-30 per tub of 'uber 2000' and they will match anything to warrant that outlay.
the longer you are in the industry (be it as a customer or more), the more you see the merry go round of supplements claiming the same results only to be replaced by a new fad the next year. Anything of any worth is banned in quick time, hence reformulations of existing brands to watered down crap.
 
Whey and creatine... cant get better than that.
 
If your post cycle and want some more assistance recovery wise then an OTC supplement might assist but nothing near what prescription drugs will do.

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Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/06 12:48:32 (permalink)
i've recently bought some ZMA Aaron with the hope it might aid with a nights sleep. I read a few articles on this and the juries out if its a placebo affect or not.
 
when you say its overrated are you talking from personal experience? 
 
if it does help great but at least you're getting some additional vitamins worst case, however i would agree about the miracle OTC supplements that make wild claims about muscle gain etc
 
 
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Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/06 13:39:26 (permalink)
FOOD!....Food is under rated in my opinion for health, size, bodily functions, strength and hormonal balance.
 
The amount of people I know who think they'll suddenly boost testosterone through the roof taking tribulous is unreal. This is one isolated example.
 
People seem to forget that eating large amounts of quality food is the way to fuel gains and live with health. Yes some of the supplements out there 'might' help but most things on the market are frankly crap. Also most supplements out there contain substances that are not easily obsorbed by the body and don't contain active ingredients. Remember the supplement industry is largely un regulated and its up to the regulating bodies to ban supplements not the supp companies to ensure their product meets standards. It doesn't help that many people miss the definition of the word 'supplement' and that most of their consumption is from shakes, pills and potions they've wasted their money on.
 
The sooner people realize that supp companies are out there to make money and there is no integrity the sooner people will stop burning their money, same goes for all these ****ty fitness magazines selling a load of tripe to clueless people.
 
EDIT: The only supplements that truly make a big difference is taking PED's and steroids.
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Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/06 13:47:02 (permalink)
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i've recently bought some ZMA Aaron with the hope it might aid with a nights sleep. I read a few articles on this and the juries out if its a placebo affect or not.
 
when you say its overrated are you talking from personal experience? 
 
if it does help great but at least you're getting some additional vitamins worst case, however i would agree about the miracle OTC supplements that make wild claims about muscle gain etc
 

 
personal experience mate, been taking supplements since i was a teen and i'm 32 now. eeeek
i've tried everything from vanadyl sulphate to ultimate orange with ephedrine inside lol.
 
i had sleeping issues, instead i moved all stimulation out of the bedroom like the xbox, tv... i began to read before bed and voila, out like a light. ZMA gave me funky dreams a few times but sleeping a good 8 hours works wonders, and its free.
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Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/07 10:08:28 (permalink)
 
I would say Vitamin D5.
 

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Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/08 15:39:25 (permalink)
Food.
Not many want to eat a rigid diet day in, day out.
But if you can learn to wring its neck, well, most anabolic thing going.
 
Udo's Oil.
Really rate this as a fat source.
 
Not getting into the vit c thing again, except to say I think it is over-rated by a factor of lots. :D
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Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/08 15:39:25 (permalink)
DP.
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Re: Most under-rated supplements 2014/11/08 18:20:00 (permalink)
Food is not under rated for me as it's easy to eat plenty of good food, the thing is even when it's what many consider 'clean' I still have to not over consume, as after time all the extra food does is add unnecessary fat gain.

But if you're diet lacks in

Eggs
Chicken
Beef
Fish
Oats
Rice
Potatoes
Grains
Fruit
Veg

Then certainly food may be under rated for you.

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