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2005/08/02 14:28:28 (permalink)
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My F*cking shoulder

Its about 15 months now since i dislocated my shoulder. Now although its taken a long time to strengthen it, and had a few niggles and visited private physio last year and i asked about RC strength exercises she said my RC's were ok (as well as the NHS physio initially), i'd say i'm lifting more (shoulder press etc) now than i was before i got the joint ripped apart.

My training has been steady and progressive with the shoulder and hence, development, not too impressive

I had been training my roator cuff muscles for a while then just stopped doing them. Dont know why i just did.

Anyway week before last I woke up and it left unstable, plus like a slight pull of the muscles deep down i the joint for most of the week, Did DB shoulder which was ok, thn incline press which wasnt good on the joint.

LAST week, again at start of the week it didnt feel too good, but come the wednesday chest/tri/delt day I was ok again.

What i tend to have to do is every so often keep my scapular back and down and i sometimes get a little click/crack.

Last night following doing my squats, it felt quite uncomfortable, and i fear if i overstretch for any reason it may come out. Touh wood for all the training i've done in last 12 months or so it hasnt re-dislocted.

When i do a L-fly type movement (DB cuban rotations???) it seems bit restricted.

I have nt yet seen anyone about it, cant see my GP having much to say about it, apart from dont train. I'm going abraod for 2 weeks this saturday. So I was wondering whether i should get it looked at on my return.

Its at the stage where i dont want to even sleep on thats side, yet trainng the shoulder directly doesnt really seemed to be bothering it. I can do (chest) dips with 12kg on and its ok.

It feels like a pulled muscle towrd the back of the shoulder. I can also do BB rows ok, butmust admit WG chins to bother it a bit

Whats the best thing for me to do?

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    Cheggers
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    RE: My F*cking shoulder 2005/08/02 14:41:28 (permalink)
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    start training your rotator cuffs again?
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    RE: My F*cking shoulder 2005/08/02 15:01:14 (permalink)
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    You should go get it checked out ASAP, as you already know this has a high chance of recurrence - I dislocated my shoulder for the third time last night (one of those times it popped right back in) - going to have surgery sometime next week, if you cant sleep on it something is not right
    post edited by egyptian man - 2005/08/02 15:02:00
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    RE: My F*cking shoulder 2005/08/02 15:13:08 (permalink)
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    Well yes, but would you say it was still perhaps worth seeing Physio when i return from holiday? I sort of want to know whether its my RC's or something else. Maybe if my shoulder has developed a bit in size/strength, and i've stopped training RC's - could that be where the problem lies you think?

    As a side note, when i went to see the physio when i had some twingles/niggles late last year see said i had a bit of restriction in External roation (when you bring forearn from parallel to vertical).

    Even now this id the case.

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    RE: My F*cking shoulder 2005/08/02 15:17:03 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: egyptian man

    You should go get it checked out ASAP, as you already know this has a high chance of recurrence - I dislocated my shoulder for the third time last night (one of those times it popped right back in) - going to have surgery sometime next week, if you cant sleep on it something is not right


    Hi mate sorry to hear to hear about your shoulder If mine had popped out again it would destroy me, as the first time i did it it was so severe, and took 4 months to even start training again lightly

    Its not that i cant sleep on it, its just that i'm a bit wary of sleeping on it mate

    EDIT - does wg chins and BB bent over rows not help RC's?
    post edited by BencherRdg - 2005/08/02 15:29:14

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    RE: My F*cking shoulder 2005/08/02 15:55:03 (permalink)
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    Best option is to go to your GP and get him to refer you to a orthopaedic consultant, and don't leave the practice without a referal.

    The conultant should, if he is any good, send you to have an MRI done. This is the best diagnostic tool available for shoulder injuries. You may need an operation, so what, most are done as outpatient arthroscopy procedures now and you can be lifting within 6 weeks.

    I have had a shoulder problem sorted to near satisfaction by operation. Also, one of the young medics who trains at my gym also had dislocated his shoulder badly once, and felt it was unstable. After discussing his problem I said for him to get an MRI done and see a surgeon, just in case. It turns out that he has a tendon tear and he is under the knife this month.

    I am not suggesting that you will have to get an op. Nor is it a panacea. But you may as well get yourself on the list for a diagnostic MRI, be pro-active.

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    RE: My F*cking shoulder 2005/08/02 16:15:11 (permalink)
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    ^^^ Ditto what Sooty has just said. I had similar symptoms myself, ie shoulder seemed fine then would start aching, definate clunks when moving my scapula back and down yet all weight training was fine with the exceprion of chins. Got so bad in the end that it would literally fall out of joint while I was asleep in bed, leading to some pretty painful experiences waking up! Had the MRI which revealed I had a bankart lesion, where the cartilage that deepens the shoulder joint tears away from the bone, making the shoulder unstable in certain positions. Unfortunately this does not heal naturally and required surgery to fix!

    Not saying tha this is the case for you but as sooty says, try to get a referral and MRI, at least that way you'll know one way or the other!
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    RE: My F*cking shoulder 2005/08/02 16:50:03 (permalink)
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    Thanks for your replies guys, if anything you've made me more worried now
    oh dear! So you'd not even bother with the phsyio> Or get the referal first then at least thats in the pipeline?

    Best option is to go to your GP and get him to refer you to a orthopaedic consultant, and don't leave the practice without a referal.

    The conultant should, if he is any good, send you to have an MRI done. This is the best diagnostic tool available for shoulder injuries. You may need an operation, so what, most are done as outpatient arthroscopy procedures now and you can be lifting within 6 weeks.

    I have had a shoulder problem sorted to near satisfaction by operation. Also, one of the young medics who trains at my gym also had dislocated his shoulder badly once, and felt it was unstable. After discussing his problem I said for him to get an MRI done and see a surgeon, just in case. It turns out that he has a tendon tear and he is under the knife this month.

    I am not suggesting that you will have to get an op. Nor is it a panacea. But you may as well get yourself on the list for a diagnostic MRI, be pro-active.


    Yes a lad at gym who's dislocated his shoulder 10 times or so mentioned MRI too

    I'll give it some thought, i'll leave it until i get back from holiday i think

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    RE: My F*cking shoulder 2005/08/02 17:20:07 (permalink)
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    When are you going on holiday?
    Word-up! Go now to your GP, get that referal and get the MRI process started as soon as possible. No point in delaying things any more than necessary. At least you can be sunning yourself on a beach in the knowledge that you have done all in your power to chivvy things along.

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    RE: My F*cking shoulder 2005/08/02 17:26:46 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: sootybaby

    When are you going on holiday?
    Word-up! Go now to your GP, get that referal and get the MRI process started as soon as possible. No point in delaying things any more than necessary. At least you can be sunning yourself on a beach in the knowledge that you have done all in your power to chivvy things along.




    On saturday mate, not exactly got any GP -patient relationship bult up as i've moved to a new surgery following moving, and not seen who my new GP is yet

    Thats why i'm worried i wont be taken seriously, the last time I had physio it was private treatment and i'm not sure its on my records. The Nurse i saw when i joinded the practice said some times the private Dr's/chiros/physio dont send there info about you to your GP.

    See what i'm saying i might not have of a case if i just bound into the surgery and anounce "I want an MRI scan" that s all Sootybaby

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    RE: My F*cking shoulder 2005/08/02 17:33:11 (permalink)
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    Talk to them mate, tell them the situation and that you've tried the physio route in the past but to no avail and you'd like a referral to an orthopaedic surgeon, the MRI process starts after you've seen them. Be warned though, there is a fair wait on the NHS for this so the sooner things are moving, the better!
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    ORIGINAL: AndyR1

    Talk to them mate, tell them the situation and that you've tried the physio route in the past but to no avail and you'd like a referral to an orthopaedic surgeon, the MRI process starts after you've seen them. Be warned though, there is a fair wait on the NHS for this so the sooner things are moving, the better!


    Well, my aunty's a retired GP actually, obviously she'd got lots of connections, and got my dad into have a hernia op pretty quickly last month (obviously it cost £5k odd) but he has loads of medical cover.

    I too have something organised through work, and it wasnt a pre-existing condition as i dislocted my shoulder after taking out the policy, so I could maybe try that route, means paying just a £100 exess i think.

    I could try that AND see my GP i suppose?

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    RE: My F*cking shoulder 2005/08/02 18:36:51 (permalink)
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    Well worth the private route if that's what you meant mate. I took out insurance 1 month before I dislocated my shoulder (luckily!). Normal route I think is, see your GP, tell them the problem , then tell them you're insured and I asked to be referred to a chosen surgeon which was no problem and from referral to having the knife took about 8 weeks total. Much better than the NHS, though I did feel slightly guilty when I was sent to an NHS hospital for the scan and did wonder if this was the cause of some of the waiting times!
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    RE: My F*cking shoulder 2005/08/03 09:52:24 (permalink)
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    Ok thing is .... do i train in meantime? As training doesnt seem to actually bother it, i've only chest/tri/delts, then back to train this week then i'm on holiday for 2 weeks.

    Aslo should i bother starting to train rotator cuff muscles in the meantime too?

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    RE: My F*cking shoulder 2005/08/03 10:12:29 (permalink)
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    You can train as long as you are not aggravating the injury and causing yourself too much discomfort.

    When I had my impingement diagnosed, because I was training I could say to the consultant 'this hurts when I do this, this and this' and he then said 'sounds like impingement lets get MRI confirmation now'(private = quick). If you stop training then symptoms may fade which is not much use in terms of diagnosis. Although as an aside, the french and other european countries use MRI much as we use x-rays as a diagnostic tool, you are not waiting months for the service in those countries' public healthcare schemes. Do check out the prices of private MRI scans as I believe they are becoming cheaper. And note that for the price of a scan you usually get a trained radiologist looking over it and giving a spot diagnosis which could also speed things up.

    Don't get hung up about walking in and demanding an MRI you know your symptoms and you should also be aware of the progress of your injury with the conservative treatment you have had up to this point. If you feel that there is something to be gained by moving things further, don't be shy.
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    RE: My F*cking shoulder 2005/08/04 13:52:41 (permalink)
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    Well got an appointment with GP for 20 mins time, better prepare what i'm actually going to say to her????

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    RE: My F*cking shoulder 2005/08/04 17:37:16 (permalink)
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    BencherRDG, how did you get on at the vets?
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    RE: My F*cking shoulder 2005/08/04 17:45:05 (permalink)
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    Sorry, didn't see other thread.
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    RE: My F*cking shoulder 2005/08/04 18:01:44 (permalink)
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    vet said its time i got neutered....

    I explained about Healthcare insurance I have, and she didnt even want to look at my shoulder but i gave her full background, from dislocation uptil now I also name dropped my parent's neighbour he's a shoulder/upperarm specialist at local NHS hopital and he also does private. He is who's she'd be refering me too anyway. She said speak to Helatchcare bods and let her know what they say.

    I rang them (as per the other thread) and they're sending me a claim form, I have let GP know and hopefully she'll get his letter off. Next week I dunno???

    I have to fill this form out that i'm being sent, return it. On receipt i could hear whether they'll stand the cost whithin 48 hours.

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