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Re: My Journal 2019/01/31 19:28:11 (permalink)
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I have very long femurs and I think I'm getting the knees too far forward. I get really good stimulation in thighs and glutes and back is fine. Never had this kind of pain across the knee cap before.

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Re: My Journal 2019/01/31 19:48:44 (permalink)
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What footwear do you squat in? What stance?

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Re: My Journal 2019/01/31 20:05:46 (permalink)
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I have very long femurs and I think I'm getting the knees too far forward. I get really good stimulation in thighs and glutes and back is fine. Never had this kind of pain across the knee cap before.

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Re: My Journal 2019/01/31 20:23:15 (permalink)
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What footwear do you squat in? What stance?
Was either barefoot or a pair of Toms. Feet prob 9 to 12 inches apart with toes out (poor hip mobility). I was ok with weights up to 100k but then got the pain and foolishly soldiered through it the next week.

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Re: My Journal 2019/01/31 20:33:50 (permalink)
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Long levers, with less than great mobility..... feet up to a foot apart is quite narrow for that IMO and would normally favour shorter limbed (maybe that should read proportionally better ratio'ed limbs) and/or more mobile lifters. A lifting shoe with some heel lift might help but if your stance is as narrow as you say I dare say a wider stance until mobility issues can be addressed (if they do indeed need to be) might help things.
 
All taken with a hefty dose of 'may' and 'might' as this is all said blind.

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Re: My Journal 2019/01/31 20:38:50 (permalink)
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I'd agree with DV sounds like you use a very narrow stance, i'd take that right out mate tbh but need a video to see where issue lies really. Heeled shoe may help too.

 
 
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Re: My Journal 2019/01/31 20:43:46 (permalink)
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That's as far as I can get down (video from 2040, tonight) at the mo and that kills my knee. I've had mobility issues with my hips since I was a child. I can barely raise my leg out to the side. I went down to boxers for my own perverted entertainment. http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5c535d4a32a78/20190131_203900.mp4

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Re: My Journal 2019/01/31 20:47:30 (permalink)
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Jeans back on. That is as far as my leg will go out to the side. Apologies for ****e photo

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Re: My Journal 2019/01/31 21:04:13 (permalink)
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It's cos you wear jeggins not jeans
 
OK, so you have an inherent problem that is unlikely to be resolved mobility wise, certainly not any time soon anyway. And I dare say it is the imbalance descending from the hip that is causing knee pain rather than bad knees per se, would that be a fair assessment. I assume you have tried things to improve hip mobility over the years to no avail?
 
In which case you will probably find you have to work with what you have and find forms and variants that don't cause pain. That could mean smiths, could mean reducing ROM, could mean a shoe or some kind of heel lift (not necessarily a huge one but some may help). Variants like zerchers, belt squats etc where the loading is positioned very differently, as well as also not being as heavy for the same effect may be worth experimenting with.
 
The good news is that if you seek hypertrophy no exercise is really essential and there is plenty you can do for leg growth (and I'm guessing with that sort of mobility PLing was never your priority anyway) beyond squats, and certainly prioritising them is far from a necessity

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Re: My Journal 2019/01/31 21:41:07 (permalink)
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Thanks so much for the help. I stretch thoroughly, twice a day, every day. I've been to physios, chiropractors and sports massuer, all to no avail. Leg Press, lunges and Smith squats are all fine on my knees, hips and back. I guess I need to ditch my pride and finally accept that free weight squats aren't for me. Sounds silly typing it out like that.

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Re: My Journal 2019/01/31 21:48:22 (permalink)
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I didn't back squat for the best part of 10 years... I could at least FS but TBH I still had some issues with them back then. Fortunately now I can do most things without any issues but there was no point at the time doing something that kept laying me off being able to train properly for everything else

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Re: My Journal 2019/02/05 21:34:11 (permalink)
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Training at new job going well, touch wood. Actually not hating going to work, which I've not done for at least 14 years.

Chest Supported Dumbbell Row 22.5k bells x 10, x 10, x 8, x 8
Corner Rows with axle bar and V-Grip handle + 20k for three sets of ten

Wide Grip Lat Pulldown 40k x 12, 45k x 8

Barbell Curls with Oly bar - ****e so I won't disgrace the journal with recording them

Stretching

Changed things up as, despite last week's vow to max out the 50's on the one arm rows; I think I'd squeezed all progression from the exercise and from going for increase in weight used.

Form was strict and connection with back muscles was spot on. I will go for reps or weight increases every week, hopefully there will be a good run using these exercises.

Knee and hip flexor loads better, although knee was a touch sore this afternoon as I spent loads of time on my knees (Not in that way).

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Re: My Journal 2019/02/06 18:58:21 (permalink)
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Do you have access to a belt squat mate..i think if you could get on one of those, focus on pushing knees out and sitting more on to the outside and heels of feet you'll be able to sit back more into the movement. Another option of not would be goblet squats to help you learn to sit back more and open knees out more.
 
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Re: My Journal 2019/02/06 21:01:27 (permalink)
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I've tried everything, squat wise, pal, all to no avail. My gym doesn't have a belt squat machine either (actually, I haven't tried that). I know that lunges and leg presses don't hurt me, so I will be sticking to them when everything has been pain free for a few weeks.



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Re: My Journal 2019/02/06 21:20:29 (permalink)
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If you check out my Thursday leg session vids from the last 3-4 weeks you'll see how I improvise a belt squat set up with a barbell, landmine styleee.

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Re: My Journal 2019/02/07 00:03:00 (permalink)
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I've had a look at your video, looks interesting and I'll defo give it a whirl.

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Re: My Journal 2019/02/07 15:35:51 (permalink)
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Barbell Bench Press 80k x 2, 90k x 2, 100k x 5
Viking Press 25k each side x 5, 30k x 6, x 6
Standing Lateral Raises 7kg x 2 sets of 10.
EZ Bar Pushdowns 50k x 3 sets of 7, wide grip
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Enjoyed this session. Felt strong and another rep left in tank (at least) on the pressing sets.

Did first night as carer, yesterday. First job was to wash, dress and put a 98 year old bloke to bed. He was sound as a pound and so grateful, as were all of the clients. Hopefully this is the start of something good.

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Re: My Journal 2019/02/07 16:37:04 (permalink)
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My mrs started dabbling as a carer when sh!t kicked off at her nursery job. Kids toiletry habits etc she is fine with, little old ladies and men, she wasn't cut out for, but the other staff and obviously the 'clients' she really liked

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Re: My Journal 2019/02/08 13:29:51 (permalink)
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I'm not very squeamish so poo, sick, blood and pus from pressure sores don't bother me. Second shift tonight, hopefully it goes well.

Had me head up me arse last night. Had eaten crap for a few days and it contributed to me going low. Resolved to eat better, today and as of now, I've not eaten anything bad.

Gonna try a leg workout, tomorrow. Some light lunges and hamstring curls, see how things feel.

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Re: My Journal 2019/02/09 12:15:08 (permalink)
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Knee still a little tight so opted for a fitness workout instead

4 circuits of

Farmers Walk
Sprint
Battle Ropes
Tyre Whacking
Kettlebell Swings
Walking Lunges
Press Ups
30 seconds fast punching on heavy bag.

Did some stretching once I'd got my breath back. Eating still good. Head better.

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