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2015/02/24 00:53:35 (permalink)
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My Journey - What would you do next?

Where do I start..

I'll try not to bore you too much but I need guidance.  I think I've come a long way but I feel a bit lost and confused and I suppose I feel ****.  In order for you to maybe advise me, I'll try to keep it short and start at the top:
 
 

  

I stated my journey with a no carbs, full on protein ketogenic diet (zero sugar). It was an extreme measure for a few reasons reasons. I went to the doctors complaining of kidney pain, lower back pain, psoriasis getting out of control and generally feeling like ****, always fighting with people at work and home (mood swings) and couldn't be bothered doing anything with the family (day out, meals etc).
The doctor happens to by a good friend and asked me to go through a full blood panel. About three to four days later, he asked me to come in.

I will never forget what he said: Your going to die if you continue you f'in idiot.
A: I was diabetic, more tests needed but he was 99% certain.
B: My back hurt due to kidneys. It had allot of fat surrounding them.
C: Psoriasis was going mad due to the amount of sugar in my diet.
D: I was obviously obese and what comes next was heart disease. (I was 224 pounds)
E: And this is what made me push for a change: He said, at this rate, I don't think your going to see your 3 year old boy grow up see him graduate / get married etc. (That killed me).

I had enough. I was sick and tired of feeling sorry for my self and feeling like I couldn't do it. I finally wanted to feel good. I want to feel like I can run, breath, do things with my kids and also, look awesome. More than anything, I wanted my kids to be proud of me and some day tell their friends or anyone infact "look, that's my dad".

So, I had to deal with it head on. IT WAS ALL IN MY HEAD AND IT WAS TIME TO RETRAIN MY BRAIN. So here I am.

Age: 37 (July 1977)
Weight: 177 pounds / 80 kg
Height: 5,5
Workout: 5-6 days a week for estimated 1.5hr intense HITT + weights.
Gym since: March 2014.
Body Fat: 24%

Diet: I'd say I'm eating well. I don't eat crap hence the weight loss.  This is just to give you an idea:
 
Breakfast
Special K cereal with semi skimmed milk (green) around 60g to 100g.
3/4 eggs boiled with yalk.

Lunch
2x medium jacket potato with cottage cheese and tuna
or
1x chicken tortilla wrap & 1x beef tortilla wrap

Pre-workout - 1hrs or 2hrs before the gym - around 4pm
Special K cereal with semi skimmed milk (green) around 60g to 100g.
Banana - sometimes
Spoon of peanut butter (no added sugar).
Black coffee.

Post workout
Amino acid tablets x2 1500mg
USN hardcore whey protein

Dinner - After the gym around 8pm/10pm
Steamed chicken and veggies
or
1x chicken tortilla wrap & 1x beef tortilla wrap
or a full grilled chicken.


Why am I here on Muscletalk.
After all this, I felt great at first but doing lots of work at the gym doesn't seem to be giving me much gains.  I sometimes cant sleep and i just feel **** / tired / I can't be arsed etc.  So I went back to the docs.
Confirmed testosterone is low (8.8nmol/L).  he wats to do more test in 6 weeks.  And if its still low then he wats to send me to a specialist.  Then I assume more tests.  Grrrrrrr.

A: Do I have to wait this long or is he fobbing me off?
B: Shall I skip all this, get a private BW and post back? Maybe you vets cant then guide me once I get the results?  I really really want to juice and get my gains.  Maybe a TRT with your help.  I really want to.
C: Wait and stop being impatient :(

What ya rekon?

PS. What should I ask my doc to test for in my Testosterone? Whats recommended if there's such a thing?  I might even get a private test done first and not wait 6 bloody weeks.

PSS.  Thank you for reading.
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Re: My Journey - What would you do next? 2015/02/24 01:54:02 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby iEKOS 2015/02/24 02:11:06
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Hi mate.
That certainly is a bit of a harrowing journey indeed. Hassle at work, worries at home and feeling generally p!ssed off with yourself.
You've got a great doctor and he has taken you by the balls and made you see some sense. Maybe even saved you from serious illness or worse.

The lads on here are terrific mate and will help you all they can.
What you need to do do is visit the various sub-forums. In your case, this particular one and the diet forum. Incidentally, I can't see a lot wrong with your diet myself though many of these guys have far more experience than I do with dietary values etc.

Look through members' journals too. I have been advised so much by those fellas.

Good luck with your "journey" mate. Stick around here it will do you good :)
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Re: My Journey - What would you do next? 2015/02/24 02:12:30 (permalink)
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Thank you for that.
 
I am now wanting to know more about my test results and what to do next.  I like the idea of Primo with test but I will let you vets guide me.  Not doing anything till I understand it all.
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Re: My Journey - What would you do next? 2015/02/24 08:47:00 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby iEKOS 2015/02/24 11:54:04
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Welcome mate.
 
 
A: Do I have to wait this long or is he fobbing me off?

 
 
No, he's following standard protocol. Test levels are affected by various factors eg illness, stresses so he needs to do a secondary test quite a few weeks later to rule out stuff like illness & get a more accurate picture that your T is low generally and not just a one off spike lower due to any number of reasons.
 
And yes, you will then be referred to an endocrinologist who will do perhaps another two sets of bloods with a few weeks time lapse. Yes it is a ball-ache. Yes it is a long slog. And yes, even being at a low level of 8ish, they are often loathed to prescribe TRT. If you were perhaps 10 or 11 level they'd probably tell you it's normal. They might even do so at 8 lol.
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Re: My Journey - What would you do next? 2015/02/24 08:55:31 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby iEKOS 2015/02/24 11:54:02
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Welcome aboard mate, and well done on your progress so far!

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Re: My Journey - What would you do next? 2015/02/24 11:58:42 (permalink)
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So do i wait for the docs?  Or sort it myself?
 
Of course the sensible route is the doctors BUT, in anyone's experience, is it a waste of time and 6 month can pass without any results?
 
Yes, I want to do a cycle.  Dying to try some primo.

I'm sooo frigin frustrated.
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Re: My Journey - What would you do next? 2015/02/24 11:58:47 (permalink)
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So do i wait for the docs?  Or sort it myself?
 
Of course the sensible route is the doctors BUT, in anyone's experience, is it a waste of time and 6 month can pass without any results?
 
Yes, I want to do a cycle.  Dying to try some primo.

I'm sooo frigin frustrated.
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Re: My Journey - What would you do next? 2015/02/24 13:12:59 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby iEKOS 2015/02/25 23:46:25
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Welcome to MT. You have already started you journey and keep it rolling as you weight loss and change in your body is really good all on its own. Just got to be a little more patient. In the mean time keep coming on here and start to educate your self on you new future and where you want to take it.
 
Good luck bud
 
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Re: My Journey - What would you do next? 2015/02/25 21:41:22 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby iEKOS 2015/02/25 23:46:15
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Hi, welcome to MT its a great place for advice on training. You are doing well so far and you have a great doc by the sounds of things. No need to rush. Let things go their course with your doctor and keep your diet and training going. You aren't losing out as you are slowly improving. If you get knocked back the official route then you can go the unofficial later. Once you go unofficial you can't really backtrack to the doc. If your training and diet are stalled or you are getting good and bad days it may be partly due to learning more about how your blood sugar levels are working. Diabetes even controlled via diet alone can effect your energy and well being daily. You may need to switch up sugar levels now and then to counter lows. Ask your doctor about it.
 
Don't rush and good luck!
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Re: 2015/02/26 08:26:01 (permalink)☼ Best Answerby iEKOS 2015/02/26 23:50:40
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Your diet could still be better, sugary cereal for one.



Regarding your testosterone, it is low for sure but it is a slog getting treatment. I'd wager that having the levels you have is a hindrance in terms of fat loss and health.



My advice- follow the NHS route, exhaust this before self medicating. It may be a 6 month road but it will be worth it as you will be monitored for life which is safer than self medicating.



Check out my thread in this section for a detailed overview of the whole process.



If the NHS route fails then self medicate

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