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2005/07/29 23:17:18 (permalink)
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Need help, really p!ssed off....

Ok in just over three weeks time im doing a beach lifeguard course, one of the requirements is to be able to swim 400m in under 8 mins. I went swimming today with my friend im doing it with and tbh i was expecting it to be a peice of piss, ive been running 7 or 8 miles every other day, been working out with really heavy weights and im getting stronger and stronger. After 75m of swimming i was absolutely shattered... i mean gone, my triceps felt like they had just been through a hard session of weighted dips and my quads were killing from all the kicking.

Naturally, i was very very angry, the fact that id been dieting and training so hard to get really fit for this course and then... oh wait a minute... i cant swim. But im not going to sit around and fcuking moan about it, i have essentially three weeks to increase my muscle endurance. I guess this is why there are very few built swimmers.

Im thinking I need to drop the heavy weights and go for mega high reps of short powerful movements. How will this effect my diet? should i drop calorie dense carbs like bread and rice and get my carbs from fibre rich veg?

I need some serious help and I know posting here is the best way to get it. So any advice of training routines or diet/lifestyle changes will be awesome.

Cheers guys.

sub_z3ro

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    chickensticks
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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/29 23:18:25 (permalink)
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    btw im currently 188 @ 14%

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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/29 23:20:07 (permalink)
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    Yea...swim more..hehe

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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/29 23:21:35 (permalink)
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    erm, if the requirement is to swim 400m in under 8 mins then surely you should be swimming regularly

    it doesnt make a difference as to how much you train etc - if you are required to swim for the job then get your a*se into the pool and start training

    with regards to the training muscle for endurance i am sure someone else can jump in on that one as i have no expertise in the matter
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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/29 23:24:00 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Spirit Guide
    it doesnt make a difference as to how much you train etc - if you are required to swim for the job then get your a*se into the pool and start training


    That makes a lot of sense, im still kicking myself for not clocking it earlier, man im a dumbarse.

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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/29 23:25:25 (permalink)
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    Mate you're probably just not used to the swimming. After a few more sessions the carryover of strength and endurance should show itself.
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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/29 23:28:06 (permalink)
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    I hope you are right, i was a pool lifeguard with LA fitness for 8 months and in all that time, no one had the decency to drown, ive been in that pool.... maybe 8 times since i started.

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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/29 23:29:03 (permalink)
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    he's right. Get in the pool. Its a totally different thing from running. As for the weights, you should be wary of lactic acid build up too. I used to suffer terribly from that when I was Thai Boxing.
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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/29 23:32:21 (permalink)
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    That's pretty quick mate.

    Maybe take swimming lessons. I put loads of effort in when I swim and get nowhere, but it doesn't matter as I'm doing it for cardio - LOL. But my mate used to swim for europe, and he could do a 50m length in a few strokes. Does a km in 10 mins or something stupid like that IIRC. All about technique ... so surely get that good as a priority?

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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/29 23:34:34 (permalink)
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    all good advice so far peeps, thanks, but what can i do in the gym to give me that extra edge? lol sub cant swim all day, he might dissolve.

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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/29 23:39:44 (permalink)
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    sub - post your current nutrition regimen (clearly please) and I'll comment

    (interesting topic BTW)
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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/29 23:46:02 (permalink)
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    i have the same problem


    strong as fook for my height and weight with very low bodyfat.

    but cannot swim to save my life
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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/29 23:49:07 (permalink)
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    8am - 30g Whey in water + Inject 80mcg clen, 11mgs yohimbine. + banana (not injected)

    8:30am - Morning Cardio (on cardio days) / Weight Training (on weight days)

    10ish - 20g whey in water

    10:45 : 6 egg whites on 1 wholemeal toast + almonds / (or) Cheese (weight watchers insane hi protein low fat cheese) on toast + almonds

    12:30 : Chicken or tuna with salad + flax

    15:00 : As above

    18:00 : Some kind of meat with usually hi protein pasta / potato + Veg galore

    20:00 : usually some kind of fruit + nuts

    22:00 Whey in milk + 3 x 1g omega 3,6,9 capsule.

    cheers matey, work ur magic,

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    post edited by sub_z3ro - 2005/07/29 23:50:27
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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/29 23:55:56 (permalink)
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    Hi mate

    Have some high GI carbs post moring cardio/weights - sugars/Lucozade or something

    10.45 - swap the bread for granary and have 2 slices

    12.30 and 15.00 include soem low GI carbs - like basmati rice or granary bread or oatcakes - a 'medium' portion

    otherwise keep as you are (remember variety though)

    However my advice is quite vague as it's only from whay you've posted. How lean are you? How tall are you? How much improvement do you need to make in your swimming? we need goals her and I'd like you to try the 400m test 3 times per week please
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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/29 23:58:09 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: James

    Hi mate

    Have some high GI carbs post moring cardio/weights - sugars/Lucozade or something

    10.45 - swap the bread for granary and have 2 slices

    12.30 and 15.00 include soem low GI carbs - like basmati rice or granary bread or oatcakes - a 'medium' portion

    otherwise keep as you are (remember variety though)

    However my advice is quite vague as it's only from whay you've posted. How lean are you? How tall are you? How much improvement do you need to make in your swimming? we need goals her and I'd like you to try the 400m test 3 times per week please

    Sorry to go slightly off topic but James what do you think of Lucozade, apart from being a bit expensive? My question is, is it detrimental to someone on a cut?
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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/30 00:05:24 (permalink)
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    Yeah, i only ever eat granary bread, i prefer it to everything else.

    Im 6 foot, 188lbs at 14% so still a bit of flab there but the injectible fat burner is working its magic. In terms of improvement, i have a lot of work to do. 25m should not take longer than 30 seconds. However first i need to build up the endurance so ill probably go for a warm up of 200m, followed by the 400m , then another 200m warm down, if im not shattered after that.... well .. i will be. This weeks goal is to achieve the 400m full stop, without stopping, keeping a steady pace throughout. Then after that i can work on getting faster.

    Any idea about how i can improve my weight training to cope?

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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/30 00:23:33 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: DaveH



    Sorry to go slightly off topic but James what do you think of Lucozade, apart from being a bit expensive? My question is, is it detrimental to someone on a cut?


    It is a little off topic - Lucozade is fine. Generally it's not suitable for people on a cut - BUT you have to look at each case individually
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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/30 00:28:16 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: sub_z3ro

    Yeah, i only ever eat granary bread, i prefer it to everything else.

    Im 6 foot, 188lbs at 14% so still a bit of flab there but the injectible fat burner is working its magic. In terms of improvement, i have a lot of work to do. 25m should not take longer than 30 seconds. However first i need to build up the endurance so ill probably go for a warm up of 200m, followed by the 400m , then another 200m warm down, if im not shattered after that.... well .. i will be. This weeks goal is to achieve the 400m full stop, without stopping, keeping a steady pace throughout. Then after that i can work on getting faster.

    Any idea about how i can improve my weight training to cope?

    sub

    Weight training - I would just train 'normally' but not for strength

    Fat: there are two conflicting issues here 1)we need to improve your power to weight ratio; 2) you could happily have a little more body fat to increase buoyancy.

    So, in practice: I'd come off your injectable fat burner; up your post workout carbs; include decent amounts of medium to low GI carbs throught the day; weight train as normal; cardio - introduce some HIIT; swim 3-4 times per week and try to better yourself to achive your goal

    Keep us posted twice weekly!
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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/30 00:32:05 (permalink)
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    Thanks a lot mate, really a massive help. I'll keep updating this whenever a revelation comes by! I think im going to push myself extremely hard these 3 weeks, i WILL beat it.

    thanks again.

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    RE: Need help, really p!ssed off.... 2005/07/30 07:40:08 (permalink)
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    To be honest mate, from the fact that your triceps are getting cained probably means that with all due respect, you're probably not a very good swimmer

    I used to have this problem, until a swimming coach showed me a few tips on how to engage my lats, and breathe in synchronisation with my strokes

    If there are any local coaches hanging around your pool, have a word with them

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