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Need help should I continue with deadlifts?

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2006/07/14 06:32:37 (permalink)
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Need help should I continue with deadlifts?

On my third cycle with frankie's routine and I'm proud gains I've made so far.

On deads for past 3 weeks I could not finish the rep/set scheme for 300 lbs. Another thing is that I feel it's starting to really stress out my CNS even if Im doing a 2 day split and lately when it's the day to do deadlifts I don't really feel like hitting the gym.

Silly question but is this a normal sign? I love mass building but I just feel taxed. Should I change and if I change say to SLDL to start fresh will I lose my gains I've made.
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    RE: Should I continue with deadlifts? 2006/07/14 07:05:42 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: MrNatural

    On my third cycle with frankie's routine and I'm proud gains I've made so far.

    On deads for past 3 weeks I could not finish the rep/set scheme for 300 lbs. Another thing is that I feel it's starting to really stress out my CNS even if Im doing a 2 day split and lately when it's the day to do deadlifts I don't really feel like hitting the gym.

    Silly question but is this a normal sign? I love mass building but I just feel taxed. Should I change and if I change say to SLDL to start fresh will I lose my gains I've made.

    You might want to just take a day or 2 off. Some people take as much as a week. DL is very tough, and i wouldnt suggest quiting it unless your injured.
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    RE: Should I continue with deadlifts? 2006/07/14 09:44:23 (permalink)
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    How far into your 3rd cycle are you?

    How many weeks did your 2nd cycle consist of?

    Did you take a full week off between the 1st & 2nd and 2nd & 3rd cycles?

    Just curious, as if you read Frankie's post about the cycle lengths, he says to take a full week off after the 1st 12 weeks, then in the 2nd cycle you may need to take a week off after only 8 weeks. I would imagine this is due to the nature of the routine, i.e. very demanding and taxing on the system.

    Whatever you do, stick to the deads.
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    RE: Should I continue with deadlifts? 2006/07/14 13:25:59 (permalink)
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    I have taken a week off between each cycle and even after taking week off and on my third cycle It's still pretty stressing on my CNS
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    RE: Should I continue with deadlifts? 2006/07/14 14:14:47 (permalink)
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    If you feel you need a break, take a break.
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    RE: Should I continue with deadlifts? 2006/07/14 14:38:24 (permalink)
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    a week off might help

    are you sticking to your diet?
    are you eating enough?

    i found i wasnt eating enough to bulk and when i upped the food i upped the weights also

    increase the weight on the bar at the gym and the weight on your scales at home

    are you still steadily gaining mass?
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    RE: Should I continue with deadlifts? 2006/07/14 14:46:15 (permalink)
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    how do you know your stessing your CNS?


    if your overtrained have a week off

    continue Deadlifts or change for Power Cleans
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    RE: Should I continue with deadlifts? 2006/07/14 15:11:23 (permalink)
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    i find in these cases its usually the person just piling on the weight and injurin them selves if takin week of dont work try to lower the weight as u said u didnt complete the reps.
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    RE: Should I continue with deadlifts? 2006/07/14 15:42:16 (permalink)
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    sevaral ideas here -

    firstly switch from a 5x5 straight weight to a 1x5 pyramid scheme - this is still 5 sets of 5 but you pyrammid instead of the weight being the same all the way throughout the sets.
    Secondly, back off, try some heavy triples for a 3x3, or even hit a 3x3 for several weeks on deads - this would be classed as intensification after your loading phase. Your PR's would go up hopefully.
    Thirdly, take a week off.
    fourth, take off the pounds till you complete your reps, then start loading again.
    Consult tokars thread on progression for more ways to...well. progress. lol.

    CNS frying - lol.

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    RE: Should I continue with deadlifts? 2006/07/14 16:08:44 (permalink)
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    I read somewhere that its best to only do deads every other back session as it is such a taxing excercise and requires a long repair time.

    Is this right?
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    RE: Should I continue with deadlifts? 2006/07/14 23:18:54 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Da Morf

    I read somewhere that its best to only do deads every other back session as it is such a taxing excercise and requires a long repair time.

    Is this right?


    Only if you train like a fool. Unfortunately, most people do.

    Everyone is perfectly capable of deadlifting every week as long as they manage the volume and intensity of work sensibly.

    Lots of good suggestions from Supermick above. Personally I think it's not especially surprising that you should feel burnt out on deadlifts if you're lifting the same kind of weights (pretty heavy) week in week out, always aiming to get more reps until you hit 5x5. I've said before that I think that in the long term this is a bad way to train that will inevitably bite you in the ass in just the way that it appears to have done here. If you're doing 5 sets of 5 reps or less, always hammering away at the same weight (that's going to be heading towards 90%1RM as your cycle progresses) and desperately trying to add reps, you're going to stop making progress.

    My advice would be to take a week off from deadlifting, and a very light week of training generally (knock 20% off all your lifts), then resume deadlifting with a lower weight and work back up again.
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    RE: Should I continue with deadlifts? 2006/07/15 09:34:50 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: tokar



    Only if you train like a fool. Unfortunately, most people do.

    Everyone is perfectly capable of deadlifting every week as long as they manage the volume and intensity of work sensibly.

    Lots of good suggestions from Supermick above. Personally I think it's not especially surprising that you should feel burnt out on deadlifts if you're lifting the same kind of weights (pretty heavy) week in week out, always aiming to get more reps until you hit 5x5. I've said before that I think that in the long term this is a bad way to train that will inevitably bite you in the ass in just the way that it appears to have done here. If you're doing 5 sets of 5 reps or less, always hammering away at the same weight (that's going to be heading towards 90%1RM as your cycle progresses) and desperately trying to add reps, you're going to stop making progress.

    My advice would be to take a week off from deadlifting, and a very light week of training generally (knock 20% off all your lifts), then resume deadlifting with a lower weight and work back up again.


    Tokar I have some questions. When you say desperately trying to add weights do you mean towards strength and mass?

    Also what do you mean 5x5 is not to good for long term?
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    RE: Should I continue with deadlifts? 2006/07/15 09:37:13 (permalink)
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    also what do you think of SLDL in substitute for deads just to start off fresh? Will I lose my gains both strength and mass?
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    RE: Should I continue with deadlifts? 2006/07/15 09:38:22 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: makaveli1971 1996

    i find in these cases its usually the person just piling on the weight and injurin them selves if takin week of dont work try to lower the weight as u said u didnt complete the reps.

    Im not inujred
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    RE: Should I continue with deadlifts? 2006/07/15 09:41:54 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: CK

    how do you know your stessing your CNS?


    if your overtrained have a week off

    continue Deadlifts or change for Power Cleans

    Already have week off mate continued with same weight on my new cycle but i feel like its stressing by just making me feel sick after a workout and even couple of hours gone by i still feel same way I don't really know how to explain it but I just don't feel healthy
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    RE: Should I continue with deadlifts? 2006/07/15 12:12:25 (permalink)
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    if your overtrained it can take longer than a week to recover

    sounds more like a diet issue to me TBH, not enough carbs pre post workout maybe?
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    RE: Should I continue with deadlifts? 2006/07/15 23:47:32 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: MrNatural


    ORIGINAL: tokar



    Only if you train like a fool. Unfortunately, most people do.

    Everyone is perfectly capable of deadlifting every week as long as they manage the volume and intensity of work sensibly.

    Lots of good suggestions from Supermick above. Personally I think it's not especially surprising that you should feel burnt out on deadlifts if you're lifting the same kind of weights (pretty heavy) week in week out, always aiming to get more reps until you hit 5x5. I've said before that I think that in the long term this is a bad way to train that will inevitably bite you in the ass in just the way that it appears to have done here. If you're doing 5 sets of 5 reps or less, always hammering away at the same weight (that's going to be heading towards 90%1RM as your cycle progresses) and desperately trying to add reps, you're going to stop making progress.

    My advice would be to take a week off from deadlifting, and a very light week of training generally (knock 20% off all your lifts), then resume deadlifting with a lower weight and work back up again.


    Tokar I have some questions. When you say desperately trying to add weights do you mean towards strength and mass?

    Also what do you mean 5x5 is not to good for long term?


    When I say "desperately trying to add reps" (not weight) I mean lifting, say 140kg each week and going 5,4,3,3,2 one week, then 5,4,4,4,3 the next and so on until you (hopefully) get 5x5. This is what I don't think is good in the long term, either physically or psychologically - because you're hammering away at the same (fairly heavy) weight, possibly getting frustrated if it takes several weeks to get to 5x5, and accumulating a lot of stress on your body by never using a lighter weight. That method of 5x5 is, I think, unworkable in the long term.
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    RE: Should I continue with deadlifts? 2006/07/16 00:10:56 (permalink)
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    read this -

    http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=627517

    dan john is great when it somes to common sense lifting and training
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