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2014/10/07 10:09:43 (permalink)

Need help with cycle

I am due to start my next cycle in a 12 days.
 
I have enough Anavar to do 100 mg for 10 weeks. I also have 8 vials of testoviron and enough provirum for 25mg per day for 10 weeks.
 
Also have arimidex and nolvadex if needed.
 
My goals are to get lean, put on some quality muscle without adding too much water retention.
 
I was thinking of doing the following
 
Weeks 1 to 10 100mg Anavar ED
Weeks 1 to 10 25mg Proviron ED
Weeks 1 to 8 250mg Testoviron EW
Weeks 11 to 14 PCT
 
Wondering should I add another injectable to compliment the Testoviron weeks 1 to 8?
 
Also thinking about possibly lowering my daily dose of anavar then take it for a longer period. Don't want to waste the anavar if I don't get maximum results as it is not cheap.
 
I could do 80mg anavar per day for 13 weeks, add another injectable to take weeks 1 to 10 with the Testoviron. Any advice appreciated, also what injectable would work well with the anavar and testoviron I already have.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
post edited by damn shame - 2014/10/07 10:12:25
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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/07 12:40:46 (permalink)
    you could add tren enan to go with the test enan? 10 weeks on var is going to be harsh imho you'll be dry as a bone by the end of it
     
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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/07 13:18:22 (permalink)
    I have done 8 weeks in the past with no problems, but only at 50mg per day.
     
    Not sure if I should only do 50mg ED for 10 weeks and save the rest. Then add some Tren to go with my Test?
    post edited by damn shame - 2014/10/07 13:40:06
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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/09 03:38:28 (permalink)
    If adding tren e would I be able to do once a week injections in the same needle as the test e? As far as I can tell they both have the same half life.
    post edited by damn shame - 2014/10/09 03:43:16
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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/09 16:07:24 (permalink)
    yes you could do both shots in the one barrel or you could buy a test e and tren e blend which would have you injecting half as much oil for the same amount of gear and the blend tends to be cheaper than buying two different vials
     
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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/10 02:08:27 (permalink)
    Thanks will check that out.
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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/10 07:15:31 (permalink)
    Hello im James 31and 6'1" and have been 140since high school ive been looking onto cycles but dont lnow where to begine i know you gain more faster on your first cycle and could really use some help being idk anyone who does them. Please i hope someone can help me out thank you
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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/10 07:25:16 (permalink)
    James, at that height and weight gear probably wont do alot until you learn to eat properly. 
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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/14 00:56:14 (permalink)
    Thanks "theweeninjaguy" for suggesting Tren (could not get a Test/Tren blend). I am busy tweaking the cycle while I wait for everything to arrive.
     
    Trying to get bacteriostatic water in Thailand to mix HCG is proving very difficult.

    After doing more research, talking to people and getting some advice I am thinking about doing the following.

    1-12 Test E - 500mg EW (split Mon & Thurs)
    1-12 Tren E - 300mg EW (split Mon & Thurs)
    7-12 Anavar - 80mg/day

    1-12 Arimidex - 0.5mg EOD
    1-12 Proviron - 50mg ED
    1-12 Prami – 0.125mg ED

    3-12 HCG - 1000iu EW (split Mon & Thurs)
     
    Wait 2 weeks then start PCT

    15-18 Clomid - 100/50/25/25
    15-18 Nolvadex - 60/40/20/10
    (cannot get aromasin)

    During the cycle I will be taking, LGI Damage Control, Liv 52, Milk Thistle and Fish Oil
     
    Hopefully I have covered all bases. I should add my diet is very clean and I train 4 days a week. I am 41 years old, 5ft 9in and 85KG.

    A few of things I am still unsure about,

    should I run the Arimidex during the 2 weeks after my last shot before starting PCT?
    can I mix the HCG with sterile water or saline water if I cannot get bacs? (will it store well?)
    anything else I can add to my PCT in place of aromasin?
    any other advice?

    As always any help is appreciated.
    post edited by damn shame - 2014/10/14 01:42:02
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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/14 01:10:32 (permalink)
    if you can get simvastatin i'd maybe add that in at 40mg eod to stabilise your lipid levels given your age (i'm 42) - a good source will have that anyway as it's commonly used with long cycles. also surely your hcg CAME with bac water? not heard of anyone selling without bac for ages!?
     
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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/14 01:13:25 (permalink)
    i wouldn't run arimidex during pct but you can up to pct but tbh i don't really see the benefit.
     
    mixing bac water with saline water would be a no no mate as it's not going to be sterile
    mixing with sterile water will be ok but it'll need to be used that day - it will not store well even if refrigerated.
     
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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/14 01:15:21 (permalink)
    The HCG only comes with 1ml of water per amp to mix the HCG (not sure what type, picking it up tomorrow). 5000ui per ml and I only need to take 500ui twice a week. Also been told that once mixed it has to be used within a week?
     
    I get all my stuff from my regular pharmacy that I have used for years, will see if they have simvastatin. (live in Thailand) I will look into simvastatin and stop the Arimidex at 12 weeks.
     
    Thanks again for your help.
    post edited by damn shame - 2014/10/14 01:37:48
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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/14 01:42:25 (permalink)
    if you're mixing with bac water then it'll be good for several months. if sterile water then yeah 5 days max
     
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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/14 01:43:03 (permalink)
    hcg probably pregnyl 
     
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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/14 01:43:29 (permalink)
    I think next cycle I will follow your advice and take steroids that do not require anti-e's. :-)
     
    The HCG is Pregnyl. (think it comes with sterile water)
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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/14 03:33:12 (permalink)
    damn shame
     

    1-12 Test E - 500mg EW (split Mon & Thurs)
    1-12 Tren E - 300mg EW (split Mon & Thurs)
    7-12 Anavar - 80mg/day


     
    Do you really need an AI with this cycle?, I certainly wouldn't run one.
    If you do then i'd drop the test a bit n up the Tren, let the Tren do the work and you shouldn't need that AI imho.

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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/14 03:37:29 (permalink)
    I am gyno prone, could possibly drop the Test E to 250mg EW and up the Tren E to 400mg EW. I have the Arimidex on hand just in case. Will take Prami at a low dose to prevent prolactin gyno from the tren.
     
    Anyone know of a good test booster I can take during PCT to help with recovery.
    post edited by damn shame - 2014/10/14 04:19:10
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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/14 04:01:53 (permalink)
    Still confused about how to take the HCG and how long it will last, here is the write up on muscletalk about HCG.
     
    If I am reading this right then I should be taking 500ui ED weeks 11 & 12 and 1 vial (10 shots of 500ui) will last the 2 weeks once mixed if kept in the refrigerator?
     
    HCG Dosage
    Smaller doses, more frequently during a cycle will give best overall results with least unwanted side effects. Somewhere between 500IU and 1000IU per day would be best over about a two-week period. These doses are sufficient to avoid/rectify testicular atrophy without increasing oestrogen levels too dramatically and risking gynecomastia. This dosing schedule also avoids the risk of permanently down-regulating the LH receptors in the testes.
    It is important for the HCG administration to have been completed with 6 or 7 clear days before the onset of PCT in order to avoid inhibition of the Nolvadex and/or Clomid therapy. Also, a small daily dose (10-20mg) of Nolvadex would normally be used in conjunction with HCG in order to prevent oestrogenic symptoms caused by sudden increases in aromatisation.
    Presentation and Administration of HCG
    Synthetic HCG is often known as Pregnyl (generic name) and is available in 2500iu and 5000iu (not ideal for the above doses!). Administration of the compound is either by intra-muscular or subcutaneous injection. It comes as a powder which needs to be mixed with the sterile water. The powder is temperature-sensitive prior to mixing and should not be exposed to direct heat. After mixing, it should be kept refrigerated and used within a few weeks - though there are sterility issues which need to be considered after mixing.
    post edited by damn shame - 2014/10/14 04:19:51
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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/14 05:51:39 (permalink)
    Right first off there's no hard and fast rule about HCG use, some use it if needed due to testicular atrophy at the end of a cycle, others use it throughout the cycle at 500iu's e3d or so.
     
    I wouldn't use HCG if mixed with the solvent supplied and stored in the fridge after 5days to be on the safe side.
    Best bet as said above get a sterile 10ml amp and some bac water, once mixed it will store in the fridge for a month or so, also this larger volume allows for more accurate dosing when loading slin pins.
    Finally HCG can be frozen so if you're trying to split 5000ius in 1ml of solvent then load your pins, recap, wrap in tinfoil place in a tupperware and store in the freezer, they take about 15 mins to defrost.

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    Re: Need help with cycle 2014/10/14 07:06:19 (permalink)
    I have ordered BAC water and sterile vials. Just have to see if they arrive.
     
    If not I will just have to split it in to 10 shots using insulin needles and freeze it. I have suffered from testicular atrophy in the past so I will see how it goes then decide how to take the HCG.
     
    Thanks
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