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2005/08/02 21:49:51 (permalink)
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Never lean

I have been training for 4 years now. However I can never get lean enough to develop a six pac. I am bulking at the moment, but I still can not feel much ab development. In fact I am feeling more fatter then muscular. My strength has increased a little, but I am not sure if they is just a burst from extra energy.

My weight seems to be at a constant 13 stone? I am eating approximately 5 meals a day, consisting of protein and complex carbs... brown pasta/rice, potatoes, fish, chicken or beef.

I train chest, back and shoulders frequently at the moment. Legs now and then, they do not have a squat rack at the gym here.

I train abs using the kneeling crunch method.

I had been on a cutting diet for months, from November - January and from April - June...but I have never felt lean, even when on lowish carbs - lots of greens and water and doing lots of cardio often early in the morning. I just feel I have poor genetics for packing on muscle and loosing fat.
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    tokar
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    RE: Never lean 2005/08/02 22:41:29 (permalink)
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    It may indeed be that you have poor genetics for putting on muscle and losing fat- nevertheless everyone is capable of achieving a low enough bodyfat % for the abs (if they're big enough!) to be visible. It must be that your "cutting" is very inefficient. If you burn more calories than you take in, you will lose fat- it's as simple as that. But because it is simple doesn't mean it is easy. Try recording exactly what you eat each day and seeing how many calories you take in- you might find it's more than you thought.
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    zee_zack
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    RE: Never lean 2005/08/02 22:45:51 (permalink)
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    So you say I should reduce the portions of the food? When I was cutting I was eating more or less just veggetables and meats... I would use protein powder then museli etc... and run for approximately 30-60 mins, my strength would be at about 70%.

    My adbs just do not feel like they roll and the skin is too thick overall for any definition?
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    RE: Never lean 2005/08/03 10:11:02 (permalink)
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    I feel your pain!!
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    RE: Never lean 2005/08/03 10:38:05 (permalink)
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    The only way you are going to find out your calorie intake is to note down exactly what you eat and weigh all portions of food in your diet that is not already pre-packaged and has its nutritional values given on the packaging.

    Get some scales and calorie values for food off the web, then count up what you have each day for a week or so. This will give you a much better idea of what you are actually consuming. And count everything that you consume. Once you get used to this procedure then you can probably dispense with the scales because portion sizing will become second nature. And also get your head round the proportion of fat, protein and carbs in each meal, as well as the timing of those meals.

    But note, if you are unwilling to to this, simple procedure, then you are probably going to stay undefined.
    post edited by sootybaby - 2005/08/03 10:39:59
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    RE: Never lean 2005/08/03 12:12:12 (permalink)
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    check out the "origin" post at the top of the diet n nutrition page.

    its a test that tells you how your body fuels itself. ie carbs or fat.
    it also gives you your base metabolic rate. then your lifestyle can be factored in.

    the end result is youll know how much and of what you should be eatin to achieve either goal. bulk or cut

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    RE: Never lean 2005/08/03 13:00:21 (permalink)
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    Ditto what sootybaby said.

    You say "more or less just vegetables and meat", which may or may not be true. But you don't lose weight by cutting out macronutrients; you lose weight by cutting calorie intake. It may be that this is well executed by cutting out carbohydrates, but you can't just assume that it is and not bother to calculate your energy intake.
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    RE: Never lean 2005/08/03 13:47:57 (permalink)
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    So should I drop back from 5 small meals a day to just 3?
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    RE: Never lean 2005/08/03 14:51:14 (permalink)
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    no
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    RE: Never lean 2005/08/03 16:18:04 (permalink)
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    I am not too sure how to solve this. I always get this bloated look, especially when taking in carbs. It is brown pasta most of the time...Should I just keep bulking to gain lots of muscle mass and then go for a cut when I have enough to boost my metabolism?
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    RE: Never lean 2005/08/03 17:14:38 (permalink)
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    When I started bodybuilding I was a waist 36, that was at 19 years old. Now I am 23 and about a waist 32 average.. I think I once went down to 30, before I packed on more mass. Some say I have not achieved my goal because of stretched/loose skin around my mid section.

    Every time I cut it tightens the skin around my stomach, but never enough to show any definition. I feel kind of lost now.
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    RE: Never lean 2005/08/04 01:18:33 (permalink)
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    I used to take ECA stacks but I find them uneffective now...it also disrupts my sleeping pattern. I will take on two days in the week to focus on running. I shall lower the calorie intake on the evening before the run and on the day.
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