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2008/05/13 18:50:58 (permalink)

New cycle- rugby related.

Hi guys, i was hoping that some of you on here may be able to advise re AAS for rugby- James has advised me to post here for your opinions and experience. Basically I am a prop forward playing at a good level (union) and am currently off season. Plans ATM are to add mass which i seem to be able to do easily enough and I have diet and training sorted by James & co. Following this at the start of pre season (july) i would like to cut back (fat) while still maintaining/ adding lean mass and strength which is where i'm figuring on AAS coming in.

My question is what would be a good cycle for the pre season stage, from research, Var seems to be the most suitable compound with minimal sides. I'm not after huge gains from this and ought to mention that this would be a first cycle after a 16yr training history with weights etc.

Hopefully that's enough info to get going, I'm bound to have forgotten stuff but will post up anything people feel is relevant.

Thanks.
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    RE: New cycle- rugby related. 2008/05/13 20:02:29 (permalink)
    i assume you get tested then?

    from starting the cycle (end of july?) how long do you have before you could be tested?

    var would be the obvious choice at a dose of arounf 60mg, depends how on testing for how long you run it though.

    i did my dissertation on pro and semi pro rugby players supplement use, was always funny when i went to interview them, you could tell by the reaction which one's though i meant gear when i said supplement use.
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    AndyR1
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    RE: New cycle- rugby related. 2008/05/13 20:23:32 (permalink)
    lol, some of the guys that play at the higher levels, their knowledge of diet, supplementation isn't too great . Yes we can be tested although I have yet to see this actually happen.... in any case unlikely before the start of the season which would give a 5 week cycle time allowing 3 weeks to clear. What could i expect from this sort of timescale?
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    RE: New cycle- rugby related. 2008/05/13 20:37:19 (permalink)
    Personally as you have just got your diet and training sorted with James i would just train pre season naturally. I presume when you say a high level you mean, national league, which means drug testing, get busted and its game over.

    If you find it easy enough to gain weight now, then just train hard and eat huge amounts of clean food. Probably in your position AAS probably aren't as important as other positions.

    I have play at a high level (Nat league) dabbled in steroids here and there and tbh, i found hard tarining and strict diet is the best pre-season.
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    RE: New cycle- rugby related. 2008/05/13 20:39:34 (permalink)
    in reply to your comment, if you did a 5 week cycle, then had three weeks till season starts, knowing what pre-season is like you would probably lose your gains due to an increase in intensity and amount of running etc.
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    RE: New cycle- rugby related. 2008/05/13 20:41:36 (permalink)
    wat level do u play at?

    i play at a reasonably high level but since ive been playing in this league 4 3 years am yet to see any testers and alot of players in the league r on the juice...

    is there any reason why u want to start in july and not start now?

    my personal oppinion would be 2 do some test (1ml sust per week-same cycle as im doing now! for 8/10/12 weeks)

    if u start ASAP and finish around july time, u will have a little over lap of the season and it being in ur system but it might just be a risk u have 2 take!
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    RE: New cycle- rugby related. 2008/05/13 20:45:18 (permalink)
    i play national 1, and see regular testing think its 4 a month from each club.

    Think outside the national league very little/no testing.
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    RE: New cycle- rugby related. 2008/05/13 21:12:27 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Sharky07

    wat level do u play at?

    i play at a reasonably high level but since ive been playing in this league 4 3 years am yet to see any testers and alot of players in the league r on the juice...

    is there any reason why u want to start in july and not start now?

    my personal oppinion would be 2 do some test (1ml sust per week-same cycle as im doing now! for 8/10/12 weeks)

    if u start ASAP and finish around july time, u will have a little over lap of the season and it being in ur system but it might just be a risk u have 2 take!


    sustanon has around 3 months DETECTION time, not a good choice. plent of other meds to use though. test prop and var being a stack i've seen used a lot by rugby players, tbol is also quite commom.
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    RE: New cycle- rugby related. 2008/05/13 21:33:42 (permalink)
    interesting comments guys- seems about 50/50 pro and against. Bman, james first did a diet for me about 3-4 years ago and i have more or less followed these principles since until recently where he overhauled it for the season and has since done now for beginning of off season, so it's not a new thing.

    Sharky, not really a good idea to start earlier due to a holiday and relatives stag weekend at either end of june!

    Obviously don't want to waste time and money, but also feel that the more gains i can hold onto during pre season and beyond will be benficial as during the season it is a case of trying to hold onto what you have!
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    RE: New cycle- rugby related. 2008/05/13 21:57:06 (permalink)
    if you were going to do anything.

    probably hit either dbol tabs, or winny tabs

    dbol for extra mass (some will be water but as a prop shouldn't affect you too much)
    winny extra strength

    could run both, but bad on liver running to orals.
    in and out of your system in hours/days

    be warned though, the vigourous pre-season may affect your gains.
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    RE: New cycle- rugby related. 2008/05/15 08:52:22 (permalink)
    Bump... any further opinions guys?
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    RE: New cycle- rugby related. 2008/05/15 11:08:40 (permalink)
    Hi
    I am reasonably experienced myself in rugby union and understand the needs of props.
    My first comment is that you either buy-in to the real potential of AAS or you don't bother - there are lots of slightly half-hearted, toe-in-the-water inquiries on these boards.
    Either do it properly, or don't, in my opinion.
    Given that you will have tremendous core strength and considerable mass already (props do) and that you have weight trained for many years drug free, some quite amazing things are on offer to you via a virgin cycle.
    You will not lose all of this post-cycle - I would hope you to be carrying perhaps half a stone of extra high quality muscle and perhaps 10-15% extra strength for the rest of your playing career (which I guess from what you say is only a few more years).
    I would also advise you to forget an intermediate position of gaining muscle/losing fat - use this first cycle to gain strength and muscle: this is what AAS do.
    Here is what I would advise:

    Inject 1ml of 100mg per ml test prop three times a week, Mon, Wed, Fri for 6 weeks.
    take 20mg dianabol per day for the first four weeks, split into an am and pm dose. Get 10mg or 5mg tablets, it doesn't matter.
    Three days after your last inject take two clomid pills and two nolva tablets (tamoxifen). Do this for three days. Take one tablet each for another fortnight or so.
    That's it.
    Train like a beast (but not more than four times per week) when you are on.
    Eat lorry loads of good, clean food.
    Continue to train like a beast and eating big and well afterwards (though not in as quite a high a volume).

    Do this and, I promise, your physical capacity for your game will be majorly improved.
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