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2011/04/01 23:01:56 (permalink)
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Hi everyone.
 
 I've not really had much involvement in forums before so if I don't catch onto things quickly, that's why!
 
 Basically I used to lift quite alot and had reasonable results, had a car crash so had to pack it in, and now decided to get back at it. My knowledge isn't the best so any help or tips is much appreciated!
 
 First of all I was wondering if anyone had any tips on supplementation? I have used them before (whey protein) with good effects, but seeing how many are available I don't think im getting the best results possible. Is there any that people can suggest? A good pre workout and post workout is what im looking for, preferably a stack just to make it simple.
 
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    ItsNOTlikeTHAT
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    Re:New here... 2011/04/02 12:45:24 (permalink)
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    HI mate!


    Welcome to MT.
     
    You will do yourself the world of good, and also save yourself a lot of money if you concentrated on educating yourself more on food, and your diet.   

    Supplements are secondary to this, and with a proper, well maintained diet, hardly needed at all.

    As a new trainer especially, I would say, pre workout supplements would be a waste of money.    If anything get yourself a nice tasting protein concentrate from one of the site sponsors, you can get 4-5kg for about 40 odd quid, and Bob's your uncle.  
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    Re:New here... 2011/04/02 13:33:13 (permalink)
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    Thanks for your response.
     
     I have my diet is pretty good order 90% of the time, i do give myself the occassional reward (fry up, indian etc) which may be frowned upon by the 'live it, breath it' types, but it helps me stick at it.
     
     As I said I'm not completely new to lifting, before though I must say I was naive and thought I knew best. I've been lifting again for maybe two months now and seeing some decent results (had to start from scratch again, but some reasonable strength still remained). I've been relatively blind to supplements in the past with the exception of whey protein, and I think I can really boost my results if I have that edge.
     
     I have some decent protein powder already (relatively cheap stuff mind), but was wondering about creatine mostly? I know roughly the effects but not sure about the timing of consumption? I seem to of read a million and one different things and it gets more confusing each time!
     
     So yea as I said I'm pretty much wondering if someone can lay out a simple supplement plan including the basics, and some not so basic supplements. Might sound like im jumping ahead of myself but I don't do things with haste.
     
     Thanks in advance. P.s sorry about the long message again!
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    Re:New here... 2011/04/02 16:14:32 (permalink)
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    Hi and welcome.
     
    I would advise you to post up diet help in the diet section.  From there, you can work out which supplements may be of benefit.

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    Re:New here... 2011/04/02 16:14:34 (permalink)
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    Yeah mate, for supplements, you really do not need to go further than the basics.   A good whey, and like you said creatine.
     
    Creatine is easy to take, 5gr a day every day regardless if you're training or not.   And timing makes no difference.   Easiest is to add a spoonful to one of your whey shakes.   I usually add some to my post training shake with a bit of simple carbs.   
     
    If you go in the article section there is a good write up on creatine as well. 
    Again with creatine, you do not need of of the 40quid for 20 days supply magic potions that is out there.   Simple creatine monohydrate from one of the bulk suppliers will more than do the trick.
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    Re:New here... 2011/04/02 17:02:11 (permalink)
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    I remember reading somewhere that you shouldn't take it straight after training? Something to do with it not allowing your body to absorb the protein? I'm probably wrong but I know of people using it unsuccessfully and don't fancy wasting my money. You said you add some to your postworkout shake? Is that the whole 5g or just part of it? Creatine is a pretty new thing to me and I don't really have the money for trial and error.
     
     Sorry to be a bit of a pain but I want to lift as hard as possible this time round and get some better results. And again thanks for your response
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    Re:New here... 2011/04/02 17:11:44 (permalink)
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    5 gr mate.   Some people will tell you to load it for a week.  Waste of creatine that is!    5gr, is a semi heaped tea spoon.  One of them in a shake.   Makes no difference which shake, but you can do it in the morning or night if it makes you feel better about absorption.   But in my opinion it does not interfere with protein uptake. 
     
    Yeah mate, if you're short of cash, go for simple pure creatine mono.   Very cheap and will last you a long time.  
     
     
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    Re:New here... 2011/04/02 17:14:48 (permalink)
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    That's excellent, cheers mate. One last thing though, you said 5gr? Is that grains or grams? Might be a daft question but I hunt alot and the pellets are weighed in grains (gr).
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    Re:New here... 2011/04/02 17:42:00 (permalink)
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    lol, no mate, grams.   A grain would be absolutely minuscule!   
     
    Like I said, a semi heaped tea spoon.   No need to measure out exactly 5gr every time.  Just get a spoon in!
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    Re:New here... 2011/04/02 19:14:49 (permalink)
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     lol I thought it must of been grams.
     
     Thanks very much for your help, there's a GNC locally so I'll nip in on monday and hopefully get some good results!
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    Re:New here... 2011/04/02 19:33:59 (permalink)
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    Sure mate.  But if you buy online, you will save ALOT more money.  
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    Re:New here... 2011/04/02 19:37:26 (permalink)
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    Yea I heard someone mention bodybuildingwarehouse.com? If I ordered I doubt it would be here before monday (my next session) so would preferably like to start a fresh week with it.
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    Re:New here... 2011/04/02 19:54:29 (permalink)
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    yes, a very good company.  And they do their own brand creatine mono at a very good price.  
     
    No, if you order now, you'll probably have it by Tuesday.
     
    But do yourself a favour.  Check the price on their creatine monohydrate, and then see how much the same amount of creatine costs in GNC.   Might just decide to wait out. 
     
    One day, one week is not going to make any difference whatsoever.  Creatine usage and results takes time, weeks, months.   So a day is irrelevant. 
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    Re:New here... 2011/04/02 19:54:52 (permalink)
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    It's .co.uk by the way, not .com
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    Re:New here... 2011/04/02 20:04:22 (permalink)
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    I'll have a look now. Thanks for your help, you've saved me no end of time and money!
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    Re:New here... 2011/04/02 20:31:45 (permalink)
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    No worries mate!  The joys of MT!
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    Re:New here... 2011/04/02 21:11:29 (permalink)
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    One last thing (before I become a pain in the arse!), I've noticed that there is CEE aswell as monohydrate? By the sounds of it the CEE is the one to get. Just wondered if you had any views on this having used creatine and knowing what it's like. Is it just a sales ploy?  Or is it genuinely better?
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    Re:New here... 2011/04/02 21:28:42 (permalink)
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    Mate, monohydrate is the basic.  It is the start point, the cheapest, the purest, and works.

    Alll the other creatines have added things.  CEE has an ester attached.  
     
    But it cost more, and there is no proof that it works better, as at the end of the day, it is creatine.
     
    Also it taste like sh1t.  You can't mix it with anything.
     
    Always start with mono.  For at least a few months.   And from there see how you respond before you go try the other offerings.
     
    But I promise you, from years of experience.   Mono, is not only the cheapest, but for most, also the best. 
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    Re:New here... 2011/04/02 21:33:11 (permalink)
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    I knew it was best to ask first, thanks mate I will try the monohydrate and see how I get on.
     
     Thanks again mate.
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    Re:New here... 2011/04/09 15:06:09 (permalink)
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    Welcome to MT
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