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2007/06/10 15:27:47 (permalink)

Next Cycle Help Please

For my next cycle I was thinking about using only winstrol because I dont like the bloating because it makes you feel big when your on and then when you come off, the water goes and it makes you feel bad .

So I was wondering, If I did an only winstrol cycle would it still help with muscle gains? (will I notice a diffrence when using winstrol then not using any gear at all?) Because I know winstrol is used for cutting cycles most.

Because I still want to get big as possible, and was thinking out starting MMA training so I dont want to be all bloated and bad back pumps.

And I remember reading about sprinters using winstrol?? and there quite muscular and fast.

Im just wondering guys.

Thanks for your help... it's all what I can think of to say for this time being

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    RE: Next Cycle Help Please 2007/06/10 15:32:05 (permalink)
    winny will give some muscle gain ov course,but im very sure you will be disapointed with using winny alone
    why not try some primo,masteron with it
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    RE: Next Cycle Help Please 2007/06/10 16:01:39 (permalink)
    Alternatively why not stick with the test but use something to control the bloat? That way you'll have the advantage of better gains but without the large loss in water weight at the end to make you feel miserable about.
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    RE: Next Cycle Help Please 2007/06/10 16:38:38 (permalink)
    Thanks for your replys.

    POWERHOUSE585 Would you recommend using both Primo, Masteron with the Wintrol or would I still see results with just using Primo with Winstrol?


    erekose- Yeah that does seem like a good option. Is Arimidex the only best bet for this situation... because its quite pricey for long cycles.

    Thanks

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    RE: Next Cycle Help Please 2007/06/10 16:50:41 (permalink)
    If you are lucky Proviron may do the job nicely at a pretty low cost - there are other AI's other than adex that you could try. Although we can't talk prices here bear in mind that test is a lot cheaper than primo so that might off-set the cost of the AI to some extent.

    Powerhouse's suggestion is obviously a good one too - just thought you might like an alternative route.
    post edited by erekose - 2007/06/10 16:51:32
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    RE: Next Cycle Help Please 2007/06/10 17:01:51 (permalink)
    erekose- Yeah true in that sence. I will proply do 500 Enanthate a week with a frontload dose. and Arimidex along side it, if i cant find any other AI's.

    Would Arimidex block all of the water or will it just block some of it? which will still show weight gain in water?

    And if it does block all of the water, would orals still be useful in gainwise? because I know Anadrol/Dbol have high water retention, will the strength you gain from these help with the overall gains in muscle mass?

    Thanks for your help


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    RE: Next Cycle Help Please 2007/06/10 19:03:45 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Pumpy2010

    erekose- Yeah true in that sence. I will proply do 500 Enanthate a week with a frontload dose. and Arimidex along side it, if i cant find any other AI's.

    Would Arimidex block all of the water or will it just block some of it? which will still show weight gain in water?

    And if it does block all of the water, would orals still be useful in gainwise? because I know Anadrol/Dbol have high water retention, will the strength you gain from these help with the overall gains in muscle mass?

    Thanks for your help




    Adex is very good with water retention IMO...

    However water intake and diet will help...

    One of the benefits of water retention

    is strength gains
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    RE: Next Cycle Help Please 2007/06/10 19:12:18 (permalink)
    As per Mick's post, but I'd still give proviron a go first - it can control water, is cheaper and has bonus effects when stacked with test.
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    RE: Next Cycle Help Please 2007/06/10 19:13:56 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: erekose

    As per Mick's post, but I'd still give proviron a go first - it can control water, is cheaper and has bonus effects when stacked with test.


    I agree TBH...

    Nice med. IMO
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    RE: Next Cycle Help Please 2007/06/10 19:33:10 (permalink)
    Thanks for the replys

    Yeah, Ive just read up about Proviron, and it seem a good choice stacked with a test.

    Heres what I read-

    Among athletes Proviron is primarily used as an anti-estrogen. It is believed to act as an anti-aromatase in the body, preventing or slowing the conversion of steroids into estrogen. The result is somewhat comparable to Arimidex (though less profound), the drug acting to prevent the buildup of estrogen in the body. This is in direct contrast to Nolvadex, which only blocks the ability of estrogen to bind and activate receptors in certain tissues. The anti-aromatization effect is preferred, as it is a more direct and efficient means of dealing with the problem of estrogenic side effects.
    Due to its extremely high affinity for plasma binding proteins such as SHBG, Proviron may actually work to increase the activity of other steroids by displacing a higher percentage into a free, unbound state.

    This drug is also favored by many during contest preparations, when a lower estrogen/high androgen level is particularly sought after. This is especially beneficial when anabolics like Winstrol, Anavar and Primobolan are being used alone, as the androgenic content of these drugs is relatively low. Proviron can supplement a well needed androgen, and bring about an increase in the hardness and density of the muscles.

    One tablet used in conjunction with 10 or 20mg of Nolvadex can be even more efficient for muscle hardening, creating an environment where the body is much more inclined to burn off extra body fat (especially in female trouble areas like the hips and thighs).


    I do get gyno, but after the cycle finishes it comes, would using Novadex along side the course with the primobolan help this. Or because I get it after the cycle should I take it when i get it intill gyno gone?

    Thanks



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    RE: Next Cycle Help Please 2007/06/10 19:37:26 (permalink)
    The article in bold is a good summary of proviron.


    I do get gyno, but after the cycle finishes it comes, would using Novadex along side the course with the primobolan help this. Or because I get it after the cycle should I take it when i get it intill gyno gone?


    Primo shouldn't cause gyno - is that what you meant?

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    RE: Next Cycle Help Please 2007/06/10 19:49:30 (permalink)
    Nah. I was just saying that I get gyno from the test... but after the cycle, when after Its finish And just wondering how I would go about treating this if I dont get gyno during cycle?

    Thanks

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    RE: Next Cycle Help Please 2007/06/10 20:07:09 (permalink)
    I'm lucky enough to never had a problem with gyno, but I guess you would deal with it in the normal way i.e. with nolva. That said using prov throughout may keep oestrogen in check anyway.
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    RE: Next Cycle Help Please 2007/06/10 22:55:17 (permalink)
    I will do that then and see what happens

    Thanks for your help

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