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2014/12/28 18:36:27 (permalink)
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Next cycle?

Finished my M-Dien cycle around 12 weeks ago but have been trying to deal with gyno rebound, am still taking 20mg a day for the past 7 weeks but still not much change.
I want to plan my next cycle but do i need to take the same time off as my cycle plus the time im on nolva for the rebound?
 
Have P-Mag and LMG for next cycle but because of gyno i was gonna run nolva 10mg throughout. Although i have thought of doing my 1st injectable as an alternative (sust 250mg week) because of my gyno experience.
 
Thanks for any advice.
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    KS_Manchester
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    Re: Next cycle? 2014/12/28 18:57:04 (permalink)
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    If you have gyno and no change on Nolva, you've got to question running another cycle. Have you tried letro?

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    Re: Next cycle? 2014/12/28 19:21:27 (permalink)
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    Havent tried letro yet. Have read that it could take 3 months for the nolva to reduce gyno. Have run pmag before with no gyno at all. Had nothing on cycle with m-dien, from what i have read my pct was too short from the 50 days m-dien.
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    Re: Next cycle? 2014/12/29 11:58:46 (permalink)
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    probably the short PCT, keep saying it to people, but hey.
    IMHO, if you have gyno, deal with that before doing anything else. An AI is your friend at the mo, AI and nolva.
    then next cycle take nolva EOD
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    Re: Next cycle? 2014/12/29 17:13:33 (permalink)
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    Simon, which AI would you recommend and would i run it alongside the 20mg nolva im currently doing?
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    Re: Next cycle? 2014/12/29 17:55:13 (permalink)
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    that's a tough one buddy. I respond quickly to low dose AIs, I have never went further than ATD or 6bromo, 3 days on them have me dry as a bone and joints creaking.
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    Re: Next cycle? 2014/12/30 15:42:19 (permalink)
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    I already have a bottle of 6-Bromo so will go with that.
     
    How should i dose this? After doing some reading it seems either:
     
    150, 150, 150, 100, 100, 50 or 100, 100, 100, 100, 100, 50, 50, 50
     
    Im gonna keep to the 20mg nolva a day. Would i need finish the 6-bromo then taper off the nolva or vice versa?
     
    Cheers
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    Re: Next cycle? 2014/12/30 19:26:00 (permalink)
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    dealers choice really. i would start at 100mg and see how it goes.
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    Re: Next cycle? 2014/12/30 19:43:26 (permalink)
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    Will start with 100mg. Should i carry on with the nolva when the 6-bromo finished then slowly taper down?
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    Re: Next cycle? 2014/12/30 20:37:21 (permalink)
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    conyinue with nolva, yes. i dont taper nolva as it ha a 7 day half life.
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    Re: Next cycle? 2014/12/30 20:57:29 (permalink)
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    Cheers Simon, will update once i finish the bromo. May help others.
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    Re: Next cycle? 2014/12/30 21:08:44 (permalink)
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    no probs.
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    Re: Next cycle? 2015/01/04 20:29:33 (permalink)
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    I'd read up on 6 bromo mate - its not conclusive whether it has its own steroidal properties.
     
    A better AI would be any of arimidex, aromasin or letrozole if you can get hold of any of them. You'd potentially drop the nolva, as the AI would reduce oestrogen production pretty heavily at the right dose (especially letro).
     
    On the 'over the counter' side, ATD is a potent AI and imo a better option than 6-bromo.
     
    Out of interest how 'short' was your pct? And how did you run it? A rebound is pretty unlucky after a non-aromatising steroid, but then we're all built differently and the body works in mysterious ways
     
     
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    Re: Next cycle? 2015/01/04 22:08:04 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the input Celt.
    My pct was a little short for a 50 day m-dien cycle from what i read after finishing, did 20/20/10/10/10eod/10eod.
    Lump hasnt changed at all and is still a little sensitive. Have been on nolva for around 2 months now at 20mg a day. Started 6-bromo 3 days ago at 100mg along with 20mg nolva. Already had the bromo so cracked on.
    Have read that nolva can work albeit slowly circa 3-4 months to reduce gyno.
    What would you recommend doing?
    Have thought about possible switching the letro @.50mg day upping to 2.5mg until lump has gone, taper off then go back on nolva at 20mg and taper off that for a month.
     
    Thoughts?
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    Re: Next cycle? 2015/01/04 22:41:34 (permalink)
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    If it is a lump, nolva is very important, so don't drop it. The lump is dependant on estrogen to grow, nolva blocks the estrogen receptors in breast tissue, so, again, don't drop it.
     
    Letro/exmestane etc are very potent, and tbh are to harsh for me.
    ATD is a good shout, i like both ATD and 6bromo. Not stacked, just find them both good.
     
    Are you confident your nolva is legit? It would seem to me that this is the most likely solution.
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    Re: Next cycle? 2015/01/04 23:08:28 (permalink)
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    Im pretty sure the nolva is legit, Its WC and from a very reliable source. Maybe im just being impatient and should keep to the nolva and bromo and see how it goes? Just didnt want to be on nolva for months and months.
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    Re: Next cycle? 2015/01/05 01:04:41 (permalink)
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    Hell mate that should be more than a decent pct. We're all guinea pigs running steroids despite best intentions and precautions! It's difficult to know how gyno has developed for you after that as you'd guess your test levels wouldn't be so astronomical after pct to lead to sufficient oestrogen levels to cause that.

    Personally I'd run letro as it's worked for me to reverse on cycle gyno. Yours could be a little different being post cycle, but letro kills oestrogen levels quickly, which does lead to sore joints and potentially other sides (libido particularly), but you'd hope to only be on it a few weeks at most.

    I'd be looking at half a tab every other day for a two week period at first, monitor whether there's any progress and either continue another two weeks at that dose, or stop taking it if the gyno has gone, but start nolva again from the last letro dose for 7-10 days to help avoid any risk of rebound.

    It's taken around a week for me to get rid of lumps on cycle at that dose.
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    Re: Next cycle? 2015/01/05 16:02:04 (permalink)
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    Angelus2002
    Im pretty sure the nolva is legit, Its WC and from a very reliable source. Maybe im just being impatient and should keep to the nolva and bromo and see how it goes? Just didnt want to be on nolva for months and months.


    So its UGL not pharma? 
    If its UGL it doesn't really matter how good the source is as their only as good as their source and there's little chance they have the raws tested when they come in from china. 
     
    Ignore me if I miss understood your post. 
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    Re: Next cycle? 2015/01/05 17:51:31 (permalink)
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    Yeah UGL. Its my only source but from what ive read Wild Cat stuff is pretty reliable
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    Re: Next cycle? 2015/01/22 17:24:18 (permalink)
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    Ok, so been on 6-bromo for the last 3 weeks, upto 150mg per day and gonna start tapering down over the next week. Nolva still at 20mg per day. No change in lump so still the size of a marble and slightly sensitive.
    So my questions is should i carry on with the nolva for another couple of months in the hope that it clears the lump or stop after the bromo and jump onto letro? I know gyno  reversal from nolva can take months but there isnt any sign of it going at the moment. Ive been on 20mg for around 14 weeks now.
     
    Thanks for any advice
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