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2019/01/09 10:09:06 (permalink)
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Next cycle or nah

Hi guys, just after some advice.

My previous cycle was over 16months ago and I was on test, tren, mast and eq.
After some thought having finished I came under the conclusion my test was ****e.

Long story short I had a gyno lump appear a few days ago under my nip. Not massive just tender was confused as I don’t suffer from gyno and never have done not on cycle and never off.
Had my bloods checked for my test levels and my test level was at the bottom of the threshold.

Should I go on another cycle and deal with it after or take something to sort it out now?

Thank you

I’m 25
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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/09 12:12:27 (permalink)
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    What was your E2 at?

     
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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/09 12:35:09 (permalink)
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    Heyup bro, they’ve not checked. Just test levels, I know it’ll be high though.

    My serum sex binding globulin was 14.7.* Rather from 14.6 to 94.6
    And fasting test was 10.6* on a scale of 9.3-32.2
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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/09 12:57:49 (permalink)
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    I'm guessing your SHBG value at 94.6 which is very high is binding most of the low T you have and causing a large disparity between your TT/FT and E2 causing the gyno, though without an E2 readout it's impossible to be sure. 
     
    You could take Nolva which will raise your T levels and help with the gyno or if you want to do another cycle anyway I'd add Proviron to a cycle as it can lower SHBG. At 94.6 most of the T you are injecting is being bound up and going nowhere. 
     
     
     

     
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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/09 15:40:42 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the reply bro.

    My SHBG is 14.7NMol
    And my fasting testosterone 10.6NMol
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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/09 16:40:37 (permalink)
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    So you have low SHBG then which is good for T but also bad for E2. Those who have low SHBG are much more likely to suffer with E2 problems. A bit lower on the TT and you would have been a candidate for free T from the NHS. 
     
    10.6 nmol/l after being off cycle for 16 months is very bad mate, especially for a 25yr old (as I'm sure you know). You could try Clomid and Nolva to try and raise your TT and rid yourself of the possible gyno. Not many do well on Clomid alone though in the long run and at 25 do you want to go on TRT for the rest of your life? 
     
    Obviously another cycle will alleviate your low T for a while and with an extended PCT at the end maybe your off cycle T levels may rise. Going on cycle at the age of 23 wasn't such a good idea after all. 
     

     
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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/09 17:35:19 (permalink)
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    I agree with you mate, I believe my test was bunk
    So essentially I was on just tren with very little test. You recon I can get my levels back up?
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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/09 17:47:49 (permalink)
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    You could try another PCT of Clomid and Nolva. It's certainly better than staying at around 10 nmol/l which is what the average 70yr old has. 

     
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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/09 18:00:23 (permalink)
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    Would you say dose both Clomid
    And nolva now or after cycle
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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/09 18:07:09 (permalink)
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    Up to you mate on whether you want to do another cycle prior to PCT or whether you want to just try and raise your test levels up to an acceptable level and get rid of the gyno on Clomid and Nolva alone.

     
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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/09 18:13:30 (permalink)
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    I agree with AW...maybe run a short course of HCG 500iu's e3d for 12 days then an extended PCT of Clomid and Nolva.

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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/09 18:23:23 (permalink)
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    So skip the cycle and jump on PCT? For
    How long?
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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/09 18:35:21 (permalink)
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    I'd look at 25mg Clomid EOD for 6 weeks then 12.5mg Clomid EOD for a further 6 weeks. 
     
    For the Nolva I'd run 20mg ED for 3 weeks then 10mg ED for a further 3 weeks.
     
    As silent rep said, HCG may help but it can have a tendency to raise E2 more than test would. You'll only know by trying. 
     
    Not the normal PCT protocol but you haven't just finished a cycle and aren't shut down, just low on T.

     
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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/09 18:37:22 (permalink)
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    Would you do this after my cycle, or in place of. If I do in place of would going on this then going on cycle spin me more.

    Once again thanks for your input gents
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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/09 18:53:00 (permalink)
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    After cycle when you're completely shut down I'd do a normal PCT protocol. What I wrote above is a protocol if you decide not to go on cycle. 
     
    Will be completely pointless trying to raise your test levels on a Clomid/Nolva PCT only to go on cycle straight afterwards. You'd be better just going on cycle then doing a normal PCT afterwards. 

     
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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/09 18:59:11 (permalink)
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    What would you do bro^. Go on and then go on your PCT. or do the extended pct first.
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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/09 19:01:04 (permalink)
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    Airborne Warrior
     
     As silent rep said, HCG may help but it can have a tendency to raise E2 more than test would. You'll only know by trying. 
     

     
    It can, but the dose I suggested is low and short hopefully enough to maybe kickstart if possible the testes, I can't see a slight raise in E2 being a massive problem if it's followed by a solid and longish PCT of Serms?

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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/09 22:15:54 (permalink)
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    So shall I jump on with HCG?
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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/10 02:42:26 (permalink)
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    It can only help.

     
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    Re: Next cycle or nah 2019/01/10 21:17:01 (permalink)
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    Thanks
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