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2008/05/19 21:53:36 (permalink)
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Next gen PCT meds

How come they arent discussed much on the forum like Toremifene and Raloxifene?
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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/19 21:55:53 (permalink)
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    Not so available really for most people, so used less. There's the research liquid stuff, but on the whole most sources still supply clomid / nolva so that's what people use. I guess it may well change in time.
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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/19 21:58:26 (permalink)
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    Yeah ive seen the research stuff for Tor and ive even seen raw powder for it. But i have seen Ralox in nonresearch form, pharma. Always wondering why people hardly mention them as a alternative to look into. Wonder if sources and UG will start stocking/making it
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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/19 22:04:17 (permalink)
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    I prefer others to be lab rat and then after a few years move across when its shown as safe
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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/19 22:30:39 (permalink)
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    thing is though, they may be better at treating cancer, but have they actually been shown to be better at increasing testosterone production in men?
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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/19 22:34:33 (permalink)
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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/19 23:07:09 (permalink)
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    shame it doesnt give the actual increases, is there a way of viewing the full study?
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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/20 09:59:15 (permalink)
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    trying to find it mate, i dont fancy purchasing the whole thing. Wheres Drab when you need him that guys a wealth of knowledge
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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/20 17:00:27 (permalink)
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    i know guys that are now using this stuff and say it's hands down better, but as said before acailability and cost are a major factor so until it becomes more mainstream I'll stick with the Nolva/Clomid combo.
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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/20 17:01:34 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Peekster
    i know guys that are now using this stuff and say it's hands down better, but as said before acailability and cost are a major factor so until it becomes more mainstream I'll stick with the Nolva/Clomid combo.

    Ralox is just as cheap as Nolva mate. Fareston (toremifene) is a b1tch to get over here though i know that


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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/20 17:06:40 (permalink)
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    a couple of MT articles on the topic might not go a miss. i know UGM has a few write up's on them. prolly famous last words like, but with the nolva issues that are known to be there, could these drugs be any worse for yu than nolva/clomid???

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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/20 17:07:05 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: theiopener

    trying to find it mate, i dont fancy purchasing the whole thing. Wheres Drab when you need him that guys a wealth of knowledge



    I'll get the full article later - I'll do battle with my VPN connection

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    I'll let people know when / if I've retrieved it. I won't post it here though as it'll be a copyrighted document.
    post edited by erekose - 2008/05/20 17:08:35
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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/20 17:09:41 (permalink)
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    Ralox is seldom used for some reason

    Torem is used frequently in the US - It is touted to be much faster than clomid at HPTA 'regeneration', and anecdotal feedback suggests that it is the quickest of all available serms to reduce testicular atrophy.

    The creator of superdrol and the man that brought epistane to the market (for those of you that know they are) also rates torem very highly.

    Also, like clomid, torem is not hepatoxic, and also improves blood lipids
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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/20 17:38:45 (permalink)
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    Done.

    Eddie - ygm.
    post edited by erekose - 2008/05/20 17:42:44
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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/20 17:47:00 (permalink)
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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/20 19:27:20 (permalink)
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    so what does it show as a percentage rise in all the major things that affect recovery etc?
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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/20 21:00:46 (permalink)
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    havent read the study mate, its 7 pages long. and i need to get my head round it. if you want a copy email me
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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/20 21:36:02 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: dazc

    shame it doesnt give the actual increases, is there a way of viewing the full study?


    i've got a subscription to the lancet and british medical journal, i'll have a look and see what i can find.

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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/20 22:26:15 (permalink)
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    i've got a subscription to the lancet and british medical journal, i'll have a look and see what i can find.


    The studies above are both Elsevier journals so the subscriptions you have won't help unfortunately. Anyway - I've already downloaded both of them and sent them to Eddie. I've done my bit - people can pester him for copies
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    RE: Next gen PCT meds 2008/05/21 12:12:28 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: erekose


    i've got a subscription to the lancet and british medical journal, i'll have a look and see what i can find.


    The studies above are both Elsevier journals so the subscriptions you have won't help unfortunately. Anyway - I've already downloaded both of them and sent them to Eddie. I've done my bit - people can pester him for copies



    damm you erekose . . . just tell me what i want to know
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