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Nips and Tren and Usual confused clutching at definitive way forward

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2015/03/04 04:39:08 (permalink)
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Nips and Tren and Usual confused clutching at definitive way forward

Last cycle was two years ago, stopped because I had lump around nipple - cut short but not by much and used letro on advice of others.  All good and no probs following that.
 
Now been on Test e about 5 weeks and added in tren in small dose as a tester say three weeks ago till proper supplies landed this week. 
 
Have been using Adex, but today all of a sudden, very sensitive nips as if someones been munching them.
 
As barely started, would like to carry on, happy with planned cycle but would like to get this stamped on from the outset.
 
Lots of reading, lots of different but 'absolutely this is the way and everyone else knows ****' advice to others .....
 
Difference between Oestrogen and Prolactin etc ... I understand this.  
 
Would use Letro but opinion seems to be that its a nuke on oestrogen and is a bad idea.  Others suggest using Aromasin as a far superior approach.  Others Prami but again the flipsides are tapering up and down and sides.  Others suggest Caber is the dogs and thats what you need.  Others refer to Nolva but again theres people saying ffs dont use Nolva it is the last thing you want.
 
As I understand it, basic answer is use Aromasin to combat the Oestogen question but with Tren in there and the nips problem, this is beyond Oestrogen control and its the use of Caber / Prami / ? that will address the current problem.
 
I can appreciate people have different approaches and a few tangents can come off the question but all things being equal ... cycle stays same, Aromasin replaces Adex, the question is Caber or Prami or something else?  
 
Had a look for Caber - some places it looks like 8x 0.5mg for say £40, another seemingly offering legit Dostinex 20 x 2mg for £90 and other sources that might be bunk for all I know selling at £30 for 20 x 1mg .... seems a huge difference to automatically go for cheapest - no bargain if it doesnt work.
 
So confused a little but keen to do the right thing.
 
Thanks in anticipation of advice.

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    Re: Nips and Tren and Usual confused clutching at definitive way forward 2015/03/04 06:54:48 (permalink)
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    Not sure you can mention prices.
    You will always get different onions as to what to use, As people will give you either a text book answer or what had worked for them and trouble is everyone is different. You need to find out what works for you. I use to use novol every cycle and it worked but over the years i have had to go on to Letro, I use 2.5mg Monday and Thursday and this seems to be just right for me, Any more and my joints are fooked and painful any less and i get Gyno. This has taken a while to get right and work out what works for me and how much gear im running.
    You might find a completely different compound (Aromasin) for you AAS cycles that keep estrogen at bay. Hope this is of some help.

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    Re: Nips and Tren and Usual confused clutching at definitive way forward 2015/03/04 07:04:19 (permalink)
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    Probably not what you want to hear, but rather than treat the symptoms i would treat the cause, and  imo ditch the tren. Its not the end of the world as there are plenty of other good meds out there.







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    Re: Nips and Tren and Usual confused clutching at definitive way forward 2015/03/04 08:30:32 (permalink)
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    Done a bit more reading and varied the search terms, stripped a few red herrings away and came to two possibly similar end results from a little more understanding of the three stages ... Oestrogen control, progestin then prolactin ....

    So it looks like caber will do the job.

    Other than that, I 'think' what the stuff I read was suggesting is ... That aromasin does a good job keeping oestrogen under control but if my present situation needs addressing then it is the better one to use and nolva will be a good idea alongside as opposed to sone advice of hitting Letro hard.

    My thinking is that after developing lumps two years ago I don't want to let anything advance beyond what it is now and would rather reverse and keep at bay than give it time then review.

    I have loads of nolva so will start on that rather than wait on caber .... But will of course keep listening and hopefully posts will assist in what to do one way or other.

    Agreed sensible to drop whatever cause is but also to consider jumping on flare up and doing the right thing to allow original plan to carry on .... Thinking it's my fault for not addressing possibles but with such a small and short initial dosing I am surprised it's hit so soon.
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    Re: Nips and Tren and Usual confused clutching at definitive way forward 2015/03/04 15:55:30 (permalink)
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    All of the meds that you have mentioned will do the job depending on the type of gyno.
    As Trapman has said its finding what works best for you.
     
    My experience is..
    Oestrogen gyno. Adex to prevent, Nolva to treat.
    Progesterone Gyno. Caber to prevent Prami and Letro to treat.
     
    in regards to Prami I have found it to be far superior to caber in dealing with gyno. The side can be horrible, but if you start the dosing schedule slow and low it is a great med. I would only advise using it if you have leakage though.
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    Re: Nips and Tren and Usual confused clutching at definitive way forward 2015/03/04 16:28:18 (permalink)
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    I would recommend a combination of 20 mg/day Tamoxifen and Cabergoline 0.5 mg/ E3D .
    Cheap Cabergoline?? mmm.. I would be suspicious. It isnt a cheap med and it is faked quite a lot.   
    Aromasin will not do much with Tren. it is too mild. 
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    Re: Nips and Tren and Usual confused clutching at definitive way forward 2015/03/04 16:52:56 (permalink)
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    When running Decca or tren I always run

    Aromasin 12.5 mg ed
    Prami. 0.5 mg e3d

    If running prami for the first time start at 0.25mg
    Got to love certain sides from the prami though😊
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    Re: Nips and Tren and Usual confused clutching at definitive way forward 2015/03/04 17:23:34 (permalink)
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    Thanks guys.

    This has only just come on, as said with low dosing of older gear. New vials arrived and tren adding in 'properly'.

    Oestrogen will be the factor of course, not thinking its had chance to be progesterone and def not milking yet.

    So I'm guessing it's oestrogen that needs to be knocked back and I was unsure if the progesterone element was a quick and natural consequence or progression or just combatting oestrogen with more stringent aromasin / adex as a continuing base but knocking the problem back with nolva is likely to be sufficient of if you chuck everything at it with caber or prami.

    Reading this I'm thinking try the nolva and if things don't improve try the prami but monitor it.

    I guess one lady query would be how long would you treat with nolva before stopping and reverting to AI only. And again how long on prami before going to AI only.

    Thanks again. Feeling there's a clearer path that I can escalate if necessary.

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    Re: Nips and Tren and Usual confused clutching at definitive way forward 2015/03/04 17:23:34 (permalink)
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    Thanks guys.

    This has only just come on, as said with low dosing of older gear. New vials arrived and tren adding in 'properly'.

    Oestrogen will be the factor of course, not thinking its had chance to be progesterone and def not milking yet.

    So I'm guessing it's oestrogen that needs to be knocked back and I was unsure if the progesterone element was a quick and natural consequence or progression or just combatting oestrogen with more stringent aromasin / adex as a continuing base but knocking the problem back with nolva is likely to be sufficient of if you chuck everything at it with caber or prami.

    Reading this I'm thinking try the nolva and if things don't improve try the prami but monitor it.

    I guess one lady query would be how long would you treat with nolva before stopping and reverting to AI only. And again how long on prami before going to AI only.

    Thanks again. Feeling there's a clearer path that I can escalate if necessary.

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    Re: Nips and Tren and Usual confused clutching at definitive way forward 2015/03/04 20:43:56 (permalink)
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    Unfortunately there isn't a clear period of treatment. You dose until the problem is gone. However, I'd be incline to sit tight for a few days as itchy sensitive nips is not always an indication of gyno. It could just be due to you your hormones being out of whack and your body is trying to adjust.

    If after a couple of days it's still there then treat with an AI. Maybe up the dise to eod instead of e3d. If lumps spear then jump on the Nolva. I find 40mg pd until lump goes then 20for another few weeks works well.

    In terms of Prami the dosing is slow and low. Start at 0.25 or even 0.125 work up slowly maybe every 3 to 5 days until you get to about 1 or 1.5mg. 1.5 worked for me and I felt the nuts while there too. Stick at that until the lump has gone then taper out using the same protocol. I also run 1/4 tab of Letro e3d throughout. Continued that for a week after the prami then ran a week of Nolva tapering down from 20mg to 5mg as an added precaution.

    I doubt you'll need to use the above but It is what's worked for me and to give an indication or another angle on how to deal with both forms. The main thing though with both forms is stay on top of oestrogen if you do progesterone shouldn't become an issue.
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    Re: Nips and Tren and Usual confused clutching at definitive way forward 2015/03/04 22:49:45 (permalink)
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    Good sensible advice. Thank you.

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    Re: Nips and Tren and Usual confused clutching at definitive way forward 2015/03/05 09:45:06 (permalink)
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    The reason I recommended the Cabergoline is that Trenbolone is in the  19-nor testosterone group and it is likely to cause Prolactin levels to increase. 

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