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2011/03/24 20:59:29 (permalink)

No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but...

What would the best method be and what kind of workout. I was thinking madcows whilst cutting on 1800 cals ish, or a protein sparing modified fast? First pic is 6 months ago, second is the recent one. Gained quite a bit of fat but strength gains are good. Just a shame i look worse than starting.
I did Rippetoes for almost 6 months, then HST training for 6 weeks (just finished that now, no gains at all made from it, pointless).
Weight gone from 11st 11 to 14st, aiming to get down to 10 1/2 stone - 11 stone and staying there. Im 6 ft tall.
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Just want to cut to 10% bf and stay there tbh. I cant seem to gain muscle whatever i do. Ive had at least 160g of protein every single day for 6 months also.
Any cutting advice welcome
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/24 21:34:37 (permalink)
    get rid of the chub and get a nice base to build on some muscle
     
    Post up your diet , will help
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/24 21:41:56 (permalink)
    What should my calorie intake be?
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/24 21:45:40 (permalink)
    I would start @ 500 less than your BMR.
     
    Or go keto?
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/24 21:48:08 (permalink)
    and dont take 6 months to realise its not working lol
     
    Look at how things are going every 14-28 days
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/24 21:48:55 (permalink)
    500 less than my BMR is 1000 calories, isnt that a little low?
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/24 21:51:12 (permalink)
    Newbz18

    500 less than my BMR is 1000 calories, isnt that a little low?

    Yeah that is low , thats not your BMR.
     
    1500 cals is more realistic or as said just drop carbs and go keto.
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/24 21:53:54 (permalink)
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/24 22:20:54 (permalink)
    Done, hardcore dieting for a month or 2 and see how i look/feel.
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/24 22:52:41 (permalink)
    Not a very positive result it would seem, at least strength is up, can I ask what your diet looked like?
     
    I would go for about 1800+ cals and add cardio, eat clean and up the protein.  I'd go for a solid 3 day routine, like push/pull/legs or a full body still lifting heavy.
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/25 00:33:30 (permalink)
    would be interesting to see what your bulking diet was like OP??
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/25 09:13:29 (permalink)
    It was healthy and unhealthy at times. Still, i awas always told a calorie is a calorie and as long as you are getting enough and enough protein, there shouldnt be a problem.
    3000 cals a day for about 4 months, then i went a month without gaining any weight so i upped it to 3500 calories. Eating things like cous cous, whey shakes, tuna, chicken, sometimes ive had mcdonalds or pizza, but mainly home cooked meals tbh, never anything ridiculous.
    Im doing the V diet as of today because i dont want to spend months and months cutting, much easier just to do it this way and it will all be gone in a couple of months. I think i just dont have the genes to gain muscle. I know guys who have started going to the gym way after me and have huge arms now, im sure they dont go home to their plate of brown rice and skinless chicken breast.
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/25 12:00:28 (permalink)
    to be honest, im 6 feet too but i think i would look like a runt if i was 10 1/2 or 11 stone. not a lot of weight for somebody at 6 feet. thats ok if you got to that weight after losing alot of fat, but once you have achieved that i personaly would try to put on some bulk instead of staying at that weight
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/25 23:08:18 (permalink)
    Well i dont know how much muscle i have, so ill have to see how i feel at 11st
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/26 08:38:12 (permalink)
    tbh thats a pretty bad effort at bulking, lots of fat gain especially round the lower back
     
    im just doing my 1st/2nd attempt at a proper cut now so cant offer too much advice, but i would say once you get the chub off to be more patient with attempts to gain lean mass next time. you cant force quality lean gains, they take time, and the more fat you put on when you bulk the longer you have to diet
     
    whats your training like? clearly youve been eating a calorie excess but doesnt seem to be much muscle if any gained around the arms - they dont look much thicker in the after photos, nor does there seem to be much development in back width/thickness
     
    sorry to be harsh op, but no point telling you youve made great progress and to keep at it when your diet/training can clearly be improved to help you get better results

    Current goals: get back in the game
     
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/26 09:18:22 (permalink)
    Well i only gained 2 stone over a period of about 7 months. Which doesnt work out at much gained per week. Weird how my lifts all improved very well also, like bench deads and squats, yet i look no different at all.
    I think i just dont have the genes to gain muscle, only strength. So now im doing a protein shake diet of about 1000 cals a day, and doing Rippetoes until its all gone.
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/26 13:40:33 (permalink)
    Similar to how I felt a couple years ago after attempting a "bulk". I was skinny-fat at 10 stone and gained near enough 2 stone over a 1 year period. I looked the same, but had a big belly hanging over. But to be fair, I didn't know THAT much about nutrition back then. I thought I was eating healthy, but wasn't ie. supposed "healthy" sugary cereals still played a big role in my diet, as did cereal bars for snacks, sandwiches etc... It's 'healthy' to the average Joe, but not proper nutrition to build muscle!
     
    I dropped the 'bulk', did a lot of online research on bodybuilding diets and just began to eat cleaner meals, with less carbs and more protein. I didn't track calories, I just consumed proper meals. I wasn't "cutting" as I don't think I was in calorie deficit everyday, some days I consumed a lot more food than others... so I was more or less maintaining my body-weight.
     
    It was very hard to stick to at the beginning, but when I started seeing the fat drop off and my muscle becoming visible - it motivated me even more.
     
    Ever since then (excluding a recent hiatus), I've progressed month by month - got stronger and leaner.
     
    I'd advise you to do the same.

    What's the worst that could happen?
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/26 13:44:55 (permalink)
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    Well i only gained 2 stone over a period of about 7 months. Which doesnt work out at much gained per week. Weird how my lifts all improved very well also, like bench deads and squats, yet i look no different at all.
    I think i just dont have the genes to gain muscle, only strength. So now im doing a protein shake diet of about 1000 cals a day, and doing Rippetoes until its all gone.

    Welcome to reality buddy. Im sorry to say, your view on mass gaining is skewed to the extreme. A stone of lean mass per year is good going for any natural trainer, even then gains so slow down over time. You gained 2 stone and most of it wasnt good weight either.
     
    So, you either arent training right or arent eating right. Or maybe both. Genes have nothing to do with  it, you just need to look ahead in the space if 3-4 years not 6 months to see big changes.
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/26 14:47:37 (permalink)
    Its just that ive seen guys improve dramatically over a space of 6 months to a year, so 4 years isnt how long it takes to see some decent changes which would make you appear a lot better than someone who doesnt lift weights. I did Rippetoes and followed it to the T.
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    Re:No progress in 6 months (pics) time to cut but... 2011/03/29 17:50:48 (permalink)
    bump..............
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