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Not running PCT during heavy course

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2011/03/24 18:07:20 (permalink)

Not running PCT during heavy course

As the title says, I didn't run PCT during a heavy course which I have only just recently stopped.
I was on the course since the start of January.
The course was per week:
4Mil Deca
4Mil Tes400
(jab every 4 days)
and was taking 1 Nap 50 per day.
 
I'm 20 years of age and yes, I've actually had a small course before of Sus and Deca when I was 18, but only for 6 weeks.
That time I didn't even feel a thing (gain wise) and thought I was doing it wrong.

This course I felt absolute gains going from 12 to 14 stone no fat, and ultimate strengh gains.
 
The big problem is I must of got in with the wrong crowd,
Because none of the people I was training with that was on the same stuff NEVER MENTIONED anything about PCT.
 
Now I don't train with those certain people because of this.
 
I am so P'd off, the matter being not only starting to lose strength, but have also noticed my boys down below are quite a fair bit smaller, if my so called mates had told me about this, I wouldn't be in this boat.

I've done a bit of research but I'm unsure of which to go for out of HCG, Clomind, or nolva
 
Any advice giving correct doses would be extremely helpful
 
 
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    Re:Not running PCT during heavy course 2011/03/24 18:32:27 (permalink)
    is this a troll? Because if it isn't and you took that much gear for a first cycle at 12 stone and 20 years of age, you're a fvcking idiot.
     
    That being said, how long ago did you stop the gear, are we talking days, weeks or months? If it's either of the first 2 you should be OK.
     
    And FYI, PCT stands for POST cycle therapy, i.e. you wouldn't take it during a course anyway. People do take the same meds during a course, but that would be mid-cycle therapy.
     
    And one more thing, don't blame the people around you for your own shortcomings when it comes to being ill-informed. 3 months of oxy's could well have really messed up your liver, you need to worry less about keeping your gains and more about whether you've completely messed your sh1t up just to get to 14 stone.
     
     

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    Re:Not running PCT during heavy course 2011/03/24 18:41:09 (permalink)
     
    Please don't tell us you're 6'4"
    As above really how long since your last jab?
     
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    Re:Not running PCT during heavy course 2011/03/24 18:45:18 (permalink)
    Depends on how long you ran it for mate? If you put 2 stone OF MUSCLE on it over the duration of the cycle i'm guessing you were on a fairly long time? If you think you put 2 stone on in 12-15 weeks you need to put the pipe down and lay off the rocks.

    i'd wait 4 weeks after my last jab of Deca before i did anything, usually people stop the deca and continue to run the test for a week or 2 so the deca is out of the system before the test... but... you dropped a bollock there by not looking into it before you jumped in....

    Anyway, fvck it, what's done is done....

    If it was a short cycle i.e less than 15 weeks.

    I'd just run nolva at 20mg and clomid at 50mg for 4 weeks.

    If it was longer cycle i'd probably go for Hcg and nolva mate.

    1000iu of hcg jabbed mon/wed/fri for 2 weeks with 20mg of nolva a day. Then run 20mg of nolva and 50mg of clomid a day for the next 28 days.

    That should see you right.


    That's one way to skin the cat though, plenty of other protocols you could follow.
    post edited by Doink - 2011/03/24 18:46:53
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    Re:Not running PCT during heavy course 2011/03/24 18:54:27 (permalink)
    You should be very grateful for the above advice, and make sure you follow it, and look after yourself in future, you can't just go jabbing 2g of steroids and taking a very toxic oral at your age just because you fancy looking good on the beach this summer, it's not worth it.

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    Re:Not running PCT during heavy course 2011/03/24 18:57:17 (permalink)
    As the 2 above have told you, at 20 you could of got to 14 stone without gear and running a cycle like that too. Use google to look for pct meds if you cant get them anywhere else,i dont want to have a dig at you personaly but it is ill advised idiots in thier 20`s doing big cycles of gear that are going to lead to a change in UK steroid law.I f you managed to find a forum to ask now why could you not of done your research before you started.....common sense realy.  
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    Re:Not running PCT during heavy course 2011/03/24 19:09:47 (permalink)
    maybe I was a little harsh calling you an idiot, but I mean, come on mate these things aren't to be taken lightly.
     
    Truth be told, you'll probably get away with it and not see any long-term effects, I was probably doing more damage to my liver when I was 20 through drinking pints of gin than you'll have done with your oxy's, but just make sure and take this as a lesson.

    Current training: 6-day split
    Current cycle: Test E @ 500mg per week

    Current stats:
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    Weight : 272lbs
    Body Fat : 15.4%
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    Re:Not running PCT during heavy course 2011/03/24 19:42:52 (permalink)
    A little harsh!!! I thought that was quite suttle for you lol
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    Re:Not running PCT during heavy course 2011/03/24 23:06:25 (permalink)
    lol I am trying to change my ways!
     
    P.S You c**t

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    Re:Not running PCT during heavy course 2011/03/24 23:15:27 (permalink)
    ^^^^^ lmfao. Second row you were doing so well too lol
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    Re:Not running PCT during heavy course 2011/03/29 21:51:52 (permalink)
    You said u did reasearch after.
     
    GOOD THING THERE IS SOME GOOD PEOPLE WHO DIP INTO THEIR OWN TIME ON THIS FORUM.
     
     
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