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2009/08/03 15:52:56 (permalink)
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Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage

Having just had a debate on a separate thread about the ACTUAL protein content of 90+ protein and it'a quality, I wanted to open it up to a wider audience...
 
With regard to Nutrisport 90+ Protein, I just can't see how they can claim that the product has a 91.7% protein content, when it's supposed to be a product containing Micellar Casein...
 
Surely, in order for a product to contain Micellar Casein (an undernatured product), but also have a 91.7% protein content, the majority of the mixture would need to be Protein Isolate (i.e. 95% or more) - this would then make the product expensive to manufacturer, which raises the question, how can it be one of the cheapest protein products on the market???!!!???
 
To add to this, Nutrisport's Whey Protein Isolate product, only claims to contain a 85% protein!  In order to make a protein supplement with over 90% protein content, they would surely have to start with over 90% isolate, before adding the casein - more than their Isolate product even contains!
 
It'd be good to get some opinions on this and some factual feedback from manufacturers and those with a knowledge of blending proteins, because I see a whacking great paradox in their protein content claim...

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    Daniel.M
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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/03 15:58:06 (permalink)
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    i think the label says 85grams per 100grams...i think they are able to round it up to the nearest figure so 90%
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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/03 16:02:32 (permalink)
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    Daniel.M

    i think the label says 85grams per 100grams...i think they are able to round it up to the nearest figure so 90%


    Just been on Nutrisports website - Their C of A is detailing 91.7%

    Would love to see some manufacturers thoughts on this too…
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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/03 16:08:32 (permalink)
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    This is the thread that Hulk mentioned - Just in case anyone's interested:

    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/Which-Protein-Creatine-and-Fat-Burner-is-best-m3526043.aspx

    Should make for a good thread this one.
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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/03 16:12:00 (permalink)
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    Wilks

    This is the thread that Hulk mentioned - Just in case anyone's interested:

    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/Which-Protein-Creatine-and-Fat-Burner-is-best-m3526043.aspx

    Should make for a good thread this one.


    Well done Wilks - Just about to say that!!
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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/03 16:13:58 (permalink)
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    Lol - No probs mate :)
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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/03 16:15:15 (permalink)
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    isn't nutrisport one of the largest manufacturers of whey protein? surely if there was something untoward about the quality of the protein it would have come to light by now?
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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/03 16:23:21 (permalink)
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    Daniel.M

    isn't nutrisport one of the largest manufacturers of whey protein? surely if there was something untoward about the quality of the protein it would have come to light by now?


    Possibly, but the question is a very good one..
    Just because a company is large doesn’t mean that sly things don’t go on.

    Just look at Tesco’s Sainsbury’s and Asda with the milk and cheese lawsuit.. Not to mention the telecoms industry!!
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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/03 16:41:18 (permalink)
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    Daniel.M

    isn't nutrisport one of the largest manufacturers of whey protein? surely if there was something untoward about the quality of the protein it would have come to light by now?


    Possibly, but the question is a very good one..
    Just because a company is large doesn’t mean that sly things don’t go on.

    Just look at Tesco’s Sainsbury’s and Asda with the milk and cheese lawsuit.. Not to mention the telecoms industry!!


    Tesco are currently in a law suit with RedBull over their Kick energy drink too...
     
    It's a bit short sighted to say that because a company is big they must be legit!  Look at the facts and figures...  If there is an explanation then fine, but it makes no sense how 90+ protein can be what it says it is...
     
    I just hope we can get some good feedback and this thread won't get hijacked by people saying "how great 90+ protein tastes" or something similar...
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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/03 16:46:51 (permalink)
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    of course i know that being a large company does not make it legit but it does count for something at least.

    is the 91% quoted on the COA dry basis? I agree that it doesn't quite add up but i'm sure it has been debated before and nothing has been proven. Unless someone is willing to get the whey lab tested then it's nothing more than speculation
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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/03 16:51:36 (permalink)
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    Another option would be to contact Nutrisport with either a direct question or point them towards this thread.

    I don't know how much they'd appreciate it mind you, but then again they may be happy to answer all queries.
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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/03 17:00:48 (permalink)
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    Daniel.M

    of course i know that being a large company does not make it legit but it does count for something at least.

    is the 91% quoted on the COA dry basis? I agree that it doesn't quite add up but i'm sure it has been debated before and nothing has been proven. Unless someone is willing to get the whey lab tested then it's nothing more than speculation


    Hey Daniel, all discussions are speculative until someone produces hard evidence - Then there is no discussion left to have.

    This forum and every other out there are based on people’s opinions and speculative views...

    I'd love to hear some thoughts from guy's and gal's in the industry that could give some insight as to the initial question from Hulk.
     
    The question is out there now… If this claim is true then it has completely trashed all other brands out there including all BIG brands ..
    I can’t see it myself but let’s hear some more views…
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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/03 17:34:13 (permalink)
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    i heard there the biggest protein supplier in the UK and they sell massive bulk amounts to other companies who resell it, so they can afford to buy hugeee amounts of whey and get massive bulk discounts and then sell it on for a lower price


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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/03 18:12:45 (permalink)
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    That would make sense Kaos.

    Still doesn't answer the golden question with regard to the protein percentage though.
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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/03 18:33:00 (permalink)
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    Wilks

    Another option would be to contact Nutrisport with either a direct question or point them towards this thread.

    I don't know how much they'd appreciate it mind you, but then again they may be happy to answer all queries.


    As above, Nutrisport are good guys and I'm sure if you called / emailed them they'd be more than happy to answer any questions on their products.

    Remember too..90+ is NOT just a Casein product. It contains approx. 66% Whey Isolate and 33% Casein, so it's got only slightly more casein than Express Whey.

    The ratios on the most recent tubs are also now:

    Per 100g:
    Protein - 86g
    Carbs - 6.8g
    Fats - 2.8g

    It used to be slightly higher, but I think they adjusted it a little when the price of whey shot up and hence why it's now "only" 86% protein.

    Here are the contact details for Nutrisport:

    http://www.nutrisport.co.uk/info/contact.asp

    I think it's a little unfair to suggest inpropriety when they haven't got chance to respond. They've been going something like 20yrs, they're all good guys, they make more protein powder (in tonnage terms) than anyone else in the UK, and they contract manufacture other people's brands. Most companies don't check the boards guys - if you're unsure of the product, contact them directly. It's only a slim number of firms like us, the other retailers and Reflex, Boditronics etc. who do have a big board presense and spot questions on the products. Best bet is always to contact the company directly :)

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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/03 19:05:28 (permalink)
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    Thanks for your input Thai.

    I've just e-mailed them and pointed out this thread.

    Hopefully we will get a quick response.
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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/04 10:17:26 (permalink)
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    I think it's a little unfair to suggest inpropriety when they haven't got chance to respond. They've been going something like 20yrs, they're all good guys, they make more protein powder (in tonnage terms) than anyone else in the UK, and they contract manufacture other people's brands.


    None-the-less Nutrisport STILL say on their own website that the protein content in their 90+ Protein is 91.7% ...  Which is either a blatant falacy or a complete over-sight, either way, it's pretty unacceptable for such a massive company..
     
    It's not in the slightest bit unfair, or unreasonable in any way, to point this out.  The aim was to gather opinion on this glaring inconsistency with a major brand's product, it has at least - hopefully - brought it to the forefront...
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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/04 13:19:03 (permalink)
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    Wilks

    Another option would be to contact Nutrisport with either a direct question or point them towards this thread.

    I don't know how much they'd appreciate it mind you, but then again they may be happy to answer all queries.


    As above, Nutrisport are good guys and I'm sure if you called / emailed them they'd be more than happy to answer any questions on their products.

    Remember too..90+ is NOT just a Casein product. It contains approx. 66% Whey Isolate and 33% Casein, so it's got only slightly more casein than Express Whey.

    The ratios on the most recent tubs are also now:

    Per 100g:
    Protein - 86g
    Carbs - 6.8g
    Fats - 2.8g

    It used to be slightly higher, but I think they adjusted it a little when the price of whey shot up and hence why it's now "only" 86% protein.

    Here are the contact details for Nutrisport:

    http://www.nutrisport.co.uk/info/contact.asp

    I think it's a little unfair to suggest inpropriety when they haven't got chance to respond. They've been going something like 20yrs, they're all good guys, they make more protein powder (in tonnage terms) than anyone else in the UK, and they contract manufacture other people's brands. Most companies don't check the boards guys - if you're unsure of the product, contact them directly. It's only a slim number of firms like us, the other retailers and Reflex, Boditronics etc. who do have a big board presense and spot questions on the products. Best bet is always to contact the company directly :)


    I don't think that this thread was started with a view to attack Nutrisport just to raise the question and hopefully get some scientific information back.

    The issue of "suggesting impropriety when they haven't got chance to respond" is a bit harsh..

    Discussions happen on this forum of many brands from other countries - USA, Germany etc...  None of which would ever have seen or frequented this forum and probably never will, yet still we discuss the strengths and weaknesses (and label claims) of most of them from time to time.
    Let’s not be afraid of discussions, everyone including Nutrisport are free to join in..
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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/04 13:20:56 (permalink)
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    Too right!!!   Free speach all the way!        
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    Re:Nutrisport 90+ Protein - Protein Content Percentage 2009/08/04 14:06:11 (permalink)
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    ThaiFighter

    I think it's a little unfair to suggest inpropriety when they haven't got chance to respond. They've been going something like 20yrs, they're all good guys, they make more protein powder (in tonnage terms) than anyone else in the UK, and they contract manufacture other people's brands.


    None-the-less Nutrisport STILL say on their own website that the protein content in their 90+ Protein is 91.7% ...  Which is either a blatant falacy or a complete over-sight, either way, it's pretty unacceptable for such a massive company..
     
    It's not in the slightest bit unfair, or unreasonable in any way, to point this out.  The aim was to gather opinion on this glaring inconsistency with a major brand's product, it has at least - hopefully - brought it to the forefront...


    In the real world these things happen. If that's what it says, it's also only a month or so out of date from memory - again, if you called them, they'd be able to help you out and would adjust that description. Even given this, it's 5% difference, and it's still the best value protein powder in the UK based on 85% content now (and 90% prior to the increase in whey prices).

    It's unfair because they haven't been given an opportunity to respond - they do not go on the boards. They don't have any reps. They don't advertise on the internet. They're not an internet company.

    Talking about them on here suggesting inpropriety without even calling them.....is very unfair. It's talking behind someone's back without asking them a straight question.

    The 90+ was a 90% protein product - as the COA demonstrates. Recently with the increases in cost prices for whey they probably adjusted the formula to keep the prices low. Lets not forget this is the cheapest flavoured protein powder blend in the UK. There is nothing that touches it on price from anyone else.

    I think there's the assumption that every company is on the boards - most aren't, and you're always best contacting them directly if you have any questions. I deal with them a lot and they're good people who've been in this industry a lot longer than most of the sponsors on this site. Not only that, but I've personally been using their products since I was a teenager.

    Just call them up - they'll be more than happy to help.

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