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OHP V OHS

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2004/03/22 12:14:59 (permalink)
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OHP V OHS


What in your opinion is better for building shoulder mass?





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    PikeKing
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    RE: OHP V OHS 2004/03/22 12:51:54 (permalink)
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    assuming you mean overhead press and overhead squat, over head press wins.
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    RE: OHP V OHS 2004/03/22 13:01:16 (permalink)
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    quote:
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    OHS isn't a mass builder per se, as the delts are held in a isometric contraction. But if you plan on using any decent weight they will contribute greatly to both shoulder strength and flexibility which will carry over to an improved OHP. Whereas carryover from OHP to OHS would be minimal.



    I would think that the carryover from OHP to OHS would be of benefit once the lifter was used to OHS. The increase in strength on the OHP would enable the lifter to hold a greater weight in OHS.

    OHP is better for size and stength. OHS squat as Johnny says is an isometric contraction that greatly improves flexibility.
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    RE: OHP V OHS 2004/03/22 13:19:00 (permalink)
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    Not really, because the difficulty with OHS isn't holding the weight overhead in a standing position, the difficulty is holding it when in the full squat position. Which as I'm sure people who OHS know is a completely different exercise and uses different muscles, rear delts take over more of the stabilisation. In addition to that holding overhead as you would an OHS is completely different to OHP as the elbows should be pointing down in a OHS snatch grip, whereas in a clean grip OHP the elbows will be pointing sideways. Hence the biceps are taken out of the stabilisation to a large degree.



    But it is surely the lack of strength/flexibility in the rear delt that is the limiting factor in an OHS not shoulder strength in the same sense as used in an OHP. Once the weights are heavy there must be some limiting factor (shoulder strength) that would affect the maximum a lifter could hold, by icnreasing your OHP this would help to counteract it.
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    RE: OHP V OHS 2004/03/22 14:02:00 (permalink)
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    It's a cat fight again!
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    RE: OHP V OHS 2004/03/22 14:24:50 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by JohnnyFive

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    But it is surely the lack of strength/flexibility in the rear delt that is the limiting factor in an OHS not shoulder strength in the same sense as used in an OHP. Once the weights are heavy there must be some limiting factor (shoulder strength) that would affect the maximum a lifter could hold, by icnreasing your OHP this would help to counteract it.

    In the case of OHS, shoulder strength in the traditional sense of isotonic movement is rarely if ever the limiting factor. Limiting factors will be flexibility, rotator cuff stabilisation, and an ability to hold an isometric contraction for an extended period. In the OHP you're not making the shoulders more flexible, you're not improving stabilisation to any great degree because the weight doesn't stay overhead for very long and you are stood still, and you aren't holding an isometric contraction. Hence, as I said carryover will be present but minimal.
    Either way it's not a very important argument because both are good exercises and both should be included at some point or another to work on different aspects of shoulder strength and mass.



    It's no cat fight and as far as arguements go I think it is constructive to my training. I am just curious as to where my limiting factors are when doing either of the exercises. Thanks for the input.
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    RE: OHP V OHS 2004/03/22 15:27:36 (permalink)
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    nah, i meant your avatars - you two often have a "constructive debates" but since you both have same avatar it gets confusing who is saying what for a geezer like me who skims over stuff quickly.
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    RE: OHP V OHS 2004/03/22 16:28:01 (permalink)
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    nah, i meant your avatars - you two often have a "constructive debates" but since you both have same avatar it gets confusing who is saying what for a geezer like me who skims over stuff quickly.



    Constructive debates LOL. Are you slagging off my *****?
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    RE: OHP V OHS 2004/03/23 11:48:42 (permalink)
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    Thanks for all input PikeKing, J5 and Bencher.

    Been looking around the net for confirmation on form. How does this look to you?






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    RE: OHP V OHS 2004/03/23 16:54:59 (permalink)
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    Good Nipple Form if nothing else! I would say that was good, especially in the Bottom Position, but others may get techinal if thas what your after! U may wanna start stretching too as that takes some flexibilty to acheive that bottom position!
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    RE: OHP V OHS 2004/03/23 17:11:12 (permalink)
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    like Charles Hawtrey!
    quote:
    Been looking around the net for confirmation on form. How does this look to you?
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