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Re:Old school high fat diet 2009/03/08 18:27:32 (permalink)
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But if it does work i.e increase in lean mass, then that is the point ;)

Not sure if i'll include the milk or not yet, may do for breakfast. I'm not following any kind of under 30g a day rule anymore so that doesn't matter. I'm still staying largely pro/fat but just not worrying about carb content of nuts/veg anymore and honestly feel much better for it.

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Re:Old school high fat diet 2009/03/08 18:29:55 (permalink)
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not saying it wont produce decent results, but i think a more balanced diet overall would be better
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Re:Old school high fat diet 2009/03/08 18:50:07 (permalink)
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Egg is basically a waste of protein is eaten raw, boil it then eat it and stop ruining your shakes lol.

Anyway gonna make a swift exit before i get involved in picking up on other errors(like people forgetting that protein raises insulin anyway lol).
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Re:Old school high fat diet 2009/03/08 18:51:11 (permalink)
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But if it does work i.e increase in lean mass, then that is the point ;)

Not sure if i'll include the milk or not yet, may do for breakfast. I'm not following any kind of under 30g a day rule anymore so that doesn't matter. I'm still staying largely pro/fat but just not worrying about carb content of nuts/veg anymore and honestly feel much better for it.

But lean mass can be gained in the absence of lactose! Taking in a large quanity of lactose, which a lot of people are intolerant of, then having to take digestive tabs to make it work seems pointless when u can gain quite comfortably doing it a different way! Those guys would have been spending tens to hundreds of dollars on that stuff and more, the list of supps and the quantity of pills they took is mind boggling - if I had to take all that I'm not sure I would stick it out......or would I................



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Re:Old school high fat diet 2009/03/08 18:56:34 (permalink)
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Egg is basically a waste of protein is eaten raw, boil it then eat it and stop ruining your shakes lol.

Anyway gonna make a swift exit before i get involved in picking up on other errors(like people forgetting that protein raises insulin anyway lol).


Not an error or an omission, the insulin response to aminos is very short lived and not as great a response compared to that of carbs.  I was addressing why fat is used in place of carbs pre/post, nothing to do with whey/bcaa/l-leucine etc and their effect on insulin secretion, wasn't mentioned becuase it wasn't applicable in that response. That being said, the above aminos and whey as well as many other things will raise insulin which is needed regardless of which dietary plan u follow, can't build appreciable amounts of mass without insulin!
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Re:Old school high fat diet 2009/03/08 22:40:09 (permalink)
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Egg is basically a waste of protein is eaten raw, boil it then eat it and stop ruining your shakes lol.


It's about 50% waste IIRC. Cracking a raw egg into the shake takes seconds, cooking takes longer. I don't actually like eggs so for me this is an perfect way of getting eggs into my diet. Doesn't ruin the shake either makes it better

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Re:Old school high fat diet 2009/03/08 22:41:34 (permalink)
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Anyway gonna make a swift exit before i get involved in picking up on other errors(like people forgetting that protein raises insulin anyway lol).


Not sure where you got this from? Who said protein does not raise insulin?


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Re:Old school high fat diet 2009/03/09 12:50:21 (permalink)
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But if it does work i.e increase in lean mass, then that is the point ;)

Not sure if i'll include the milk or not yet, may do for breakfast. I'm not following any kind of under 30g a day rule anymore so that doesn't matter. I'm still staying largely pro/fat but just not worrying about carb content of nuts/veg anymore and honestly feel much better for it.


I've been re-reading and giving this some thought and I may give it a go as a short term bulking measure to see if there's anything to this.  I've found some HCL/Pepsin from ****, found a place that I can get raw milk, the only difference is I'll be using bsd's milk and whey, I guess I could buy egg white powder to add to the mix, not sure on that one as the cost just keeps mounting!!
 
Have u read some of the supplement information on there - 25ooousp vit a to be taken 3 x daily - did they know back then of vit A's toxicity level?!?!  Think I'll stick to beta carotene and let the body take from that what it needs!!


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Re:Old school high fat diet 2009/03/09 13:25:25 (permalink)
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All4n

But if it does work i.e increase in lean mass, then that is the point ;)

Not sure if i'll include the milk or not yet, may do for breakfast. I'm not following any kind of under 30g a day rule anymore so that doesn't matter. I'm still staying largely pro/fat but just not worrying about carb content of nuts/veg anymore and honestly feel much better for it.


I've been re-reading and giving this some thought and I may give it a go as a short term bulking measure to see if there's anything to this.  I've found some HCL/Pepsin from ****, found a place that I can get raw milk, the only difference is I'll be using bsd's milk and whey, I guess I could buy egg white powder to add to the mix, not sure on that one as the cost just keeps mounting!!
 
Have u read some of the supplement information on there - 25ooousp vit a to be taken 3 x daily - did they know back then of vit A's toxicity level?!?!  Think I'll stick to beta carotene and let the body take from that what it needs!!


**** that the us firm ? watch for the import duty!
 
you also might want to look at digest force - by poliquin - you can buy it here - its reasonably priced
 
i know your a fan of greens - check out greens plus - a very good product. tastes great.
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Re:Old school high fat diet 2009/03/09 14:07:54 (permalink)
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That's the one! I keep my orders under £18 so I'm cool, although I've ordered higher priced items from other overseas firms and not been stung on import taxes!!!
Greens+ looks quality but it just ain't as cheap as Udo's beyond greens, I can pick that up at just under £16 in the uk!


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Re:Old school high fat diet 2009/03/09 16:34:12 (permalink)
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All4n

I never liked the idea of pwo fat to be honest, but there is an explanation for it in that AD thread on t-nation. I'm sure GM can chip in to tell us what it is! Doing a search on google will probably turn out some results.

I tried the strawberry and cream flavour and i found it far too sweet. Find the choc great though.


It just provides a source of energy (in the absence of carbs as a source of energy which typically shouldn't be done on the AD unless the individual is overly lethargic and lacking energy, especially during training having been on the diet for several weeks).  Taking in fat at this time together with a protein source does not diminish gh release,  does not impede fat burning by shifting metabolism away from fat burning to sugar burning and also supports test function (through the sat fats).
 
Just been reading that link you posted All4n, great info on those old school shakes, got me all fired up to replace some good fats with more cream - watch this space


It also doesn't affect the timing of protein hitting your system. Though fats will slow total digestion time, the time taken for protein to start hitting your blood remains constant, it just keeps hitting it for longer - i.e. better nitrogen balance/supply = good. EFAs PWO seem to help with recovery also.
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Re:Old school high fat diet 2009/03/09 16:41:45 (permalink)
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Hey All4n or anyone else, any ideas on the half and half mixture, how much of each you would typically use or it this more down to personal preference/whole diet or is there a more standard formula?


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Re:Old school high fat diet 2009/03/09 17:38:14 (permalink)
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You mean how much milk and how much cream? It'll depend on how many calories you want i guess, then just put 50% of each in. My shake comes out about 600 cals at the min but that's without the milk. Putting 30g cream in so may cut that back to 15 and replace rest with milk, not sure yet. Need to check those digestive enyzmes out as well.
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Re:Old school high fat diet 2009/03/09 18:29:46 (permalink)
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Yeah, guess so! When u read some of the recommendations it's like 1 cup is 240ml ish, half a cup is 120 ml then they mention cup of protein to 8oz cream to 2oz milk plus an extra cup of milk, that's a **** load of sat fat (although that's the whole point of the diet) and a **** load of lactose as well!! I would really need to curb some of that or I'm heading for fatsville!!!

Best place I saw for digestive enzymes was ****, the now foods brand is quite cheap and rates really well!!


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Re:Old school high fat diet 2009/03/09 19:48:47 (permalink)
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my protein digestive enzymes are good as well
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Re:Old school high fat diet 2009/03/09 19:48:48 (permalink)
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my protein digestive enzymes are good as well
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Re:Old school high fat diet 2009/03/09 19:54:24 (permalink)
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It needs to be Hydrochloric Acid according to the information as well as other possible aids such as bromelain and papain etc!!


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Re:Old school high fat diet 2009/03/09 22:15:08 (permalink)
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Yeah, guess so! When u read some of the recommendations it's like 1 cup is 240ml ish, half a cup is 120 ml then they mention cup of protein to 8oz cream to 2oz milk plus an extra cup of milk, that's a **** load of sat fat (although that's the whole point of the diet) and a **** load of lactose as well!! I would really need to curb some of that or I'm heading for fatsville!!!

Best place I saw for digestive enzymes was ****, the now foods brand is quite cheap and rates really well!!


Yeah but i think it's meant to be split up throughout the day. will have to read it again, although now i think about it first time i read it i remember thinking i;d never use that much cream! I'll be using it twice a day with a bit of variation

breakfast: whey/casein, cream, milk, peanut butter, whole egg, fish oils - about 600 cals

prebed: whey/casein, water, peanut butter, whole egg, fish oils - about 400 cals
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Re: Old school high fat diet 2018/09/20 03:36:07 (permalink)
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Here's is the exact diet that Rheo Blair himself followed http://www.rheoblair.com/rheo-blair-diet.html
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Re: Old school high fat diet 2018/09/20 03:37:51 (permalink)
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The official Rheo H. Blair website is http://www.rheoblair.com/
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