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Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes

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2005/07/24 17:44:00 (permalink)

Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes

I stumbled across this article, thought it might be of interest, it basically says that ex E.German athletes developed serious sides using Oral-TBol like "serious heart and back problems" but the pharm company responds by blaming the dosages given.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1649616,00.html

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    Valley Fitness
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    RE: Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes 2005/07/24 17:48:26 (permalink)
    very intresting, but imo its just some elobarate journolism exagerating everything as ussual. the doses they described could no way be for OT. 2.5g?? lol.

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    RE: Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes 2005/07/24 17:50:39 (permalink)
    agree with Big G a bit OTT

    theres a study here were high doses were used over numerous years

    Intratesticular leiomyosarcoma in a young man after high dose doping with Oral-Turinabol: a case report.

    Froehner M, Fischer R, Leike S, Hakenberg OW, Noack B, Wirth MP.

    Department of Urology, Universitaetsklinikum "Carl Gustav Carus," Technical University of Dresden, Dresden, Germany.

    BACKGROUND: Androgenic anabolic steroids have been suspected of activity as carcinogens in the development of carcinoma and angiosarcoma of the liver and adenocarcinoma of the prostate. Although the proliferation of smooth muscle cells is stimulated by sexual steroids, to the authors' knowledge a possible relation between androgenic anabolic steroids and the development of leiomyosarcoma has not previously been reported in humans. METHODS: A 32-year-old man underwent right radical orchiectomy for a tumor of the upper pole of the right testicle. Routine histopathologic examination and immunohistochemical staining were performed. RESULTS: The tumor was identified as an intratesticular leiomyosarcoma based on its typical growth pattern and the characteristic immunohistochemical staining profile. The patient reported a 5-year history of systematic use of high dose Oral-Turinabol (4-chloro-1-dehydro-17alpha-methylteststerone) that began at age 18 years and stopped approximately 9 years before presentation. CONCLUSIONS: The rarity of intratesticular leiomyosarcoma, the experimental induction of similar tumors in animals by androgens and estrogens, and the unusually young age at presentation of the patient in the current study support the hypothesis that high dose doping with androgenic anabolic steroids could have played a cocarcinogenic role in the development of the tumor in this case. Copyright 1999 American Cancer Society.
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    RE: Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes 2005/07/24 17:53:39 (permalink)
    also i would have doubted OT would have been the drug of choise for the comunist nations? surely dianabol...

    anyone got ivan dragos number, ask him

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    RE: Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes 2005/07/24 17:57:51 (permalink)
    ..yeah Genics, don't know whats going on with that dosage !
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    RE: Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes 2005/07/24 18:00:31 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Genics

    also i would have doubted OT would have been the drug of choise for the comunist nations? surely dianabol...

    anyone got ivan dragos number, ask him


    tbh honest OT was very popular back then and the east German power lifters loved the stuff
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    RE: Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes 2005/07/24 18:01:33 (permalink)
    but its girly, hence you use it pmsl

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    RE: Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes 2005/07/24 18:02:39 (permalink)

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    but its girly, hence you use it pmsl


    LOLOL iv moved on to anavar now bit more up market than tbol
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    RE: Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes 2005/07/24 18:04:48 (permalink)
    oooo even more girly. get some oximeth in you. a mans drug

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    RE: Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes 2005/07/24 18:08:25 (permalink)

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    oooo even more girly. get some oximeth in you. a mans drug


    well hows this for girly lol i think if a girl took this cycle they would turn into a man

    started today just done shots about 1 hour ago oh finished PCT about 1 hour a go

    week 1-6 75mg tren ace ED
    week 1-6 100mg prop ED
    week 1-6 100mg anavar ED
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    RE: Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes 2005/07/24 18:11:40 (permalink)
    bit soft for me m8.

    my next one,

    1-4 100mg oxybolone with maybe a bit of dbol thrown in for good measure
    1-8 250mg test enan ED

    now thats a mans cycle

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    RE: Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes 2005/07/24 18:17:53 (permalink)

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    bit soft for me m8.

    my next one,

    1-4 100mg oxybolone with maybe a bit of dbol thrown in for good measure
    1-8 250mg test enan ED

    now thats a mans cycle


    not bad for you mate add some tren and then its a man's cycle
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    RE: Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes 2005/07/24 18:21:08 (permalink)
    tempted...very tempted.

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    RE: Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes 2005/07/24 19:56:23 (permalink)
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    tempted...very tempted.


    go on im sure will be able to handle 75mg eod with the amount of test youve been running pu$$y
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    RE: Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes 2005/07/24 20:06:47 (permalink)
    OT was indeed the number 1 drug for powerlifters for many years.

    An eastern block drug that was in huge demand by the Western power athletes.
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    RE: Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes 2005/07/25 09:56:09 (permalink)
    There was an article on the BBC website stating high doses of 2,500mg per year!!!! Does that sound a lot? I don't think so!
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    RE: Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes 2005/07/25 15:55:27 (permalink)
    Well that sucks. So you want to tell me OT seems highly dangerous now? I ordered 3 gram now, was going to run short cycles with it, but now I really do wonder.

    SHoulda stuck to dbol, I knew it
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    RE: Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes 2005/07/25 16:52:37 (permalink)
    All steroid possess the potential to cause serious side effects, id say dbol more so the OT Zircon. You just have to be careful and watch for sides those east germans were simply put on these doses and made to do well with no regaurd for their health.
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    RE: Oral TBol - serious sides in E.German athletes 2005/07/26 08:27:00 (permalink)
    Am I correct in saying that most of the athletes that have experienced serious sides are women?

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