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2014/11/25 16:18:01 (permalink)

Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look

Hi All,
 
I'm going to go on a cut after xmas. I only want to do a oral cycle, reason being this is only going to be a 6 week cycle, and i don't want to pin EOD with test-p, I would conceder Test-e instead of the Proviron, but i think it might take to long to kick in.
 
This is my 3rd cycle. Regarding the t3, i have not family issues with thyroid or diabetes, i'll be keeping a eye on my temp and making sure i'm not over cooking and  burning muscle.
 
Anyway, heres the cycle, let me know,
 
Anavar - 75mg ED
Clen - 2week on 2 week off 2week on - tapering 20mg upto 140mg ED
T3 - 50mg-100mg cycle - as per Wrongun's post
Proviron - 50mg per day - for libido
 
I will be taking a bunch of multis, fish oils, will also be taking 10g taurine on Clen days and 5g on non days.
 
My maintaince diet will be 
2755 cal
230g protein
230g carbs
95g fat
 
I will be doing cardio 4-5 x a week as well as weights 3x a week.
 
let me know your thoughts.
Cheers
 
 
 
 
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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/26 11:51:28 (permalink)
just to clarify  are you looking to lose fat AND gain muscle or just lose fat?
 
if it's only fat loss, you'd do better on dnp imho
 
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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/26 14:39:44 (permalink)
Loose fat mainly, the reason for the var, is to stop being catabolic with the t3.

I'm not confident yet to go down the DNP route.
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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/26 16:15:16 (permalink)
I'm not brave enough to use dnp, sounds stupid especially when I'm taking large doses of other drugs.
It's probably down to scaremongering and stories of death but I know this only happens when it's taken incorrectly.

I'm currently trying to drop fat and gain muscle, I've read t3 at 25mcg per day increases protein synthesis and still helps with fat loss but even then it's debatable how effective it is.
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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/26 16:33:51 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BOUNCINGNRG 2014/11/26 21:05:56
I'd take a low dose of test over the proviron any day.
 
Test E "kicks in" minutes after you inject it. It takes weeks for testosterone levels in your blood to max out and stabilize, but it doesn't mean the test you already have in you isn't working, and you can always just front load it to speed it up.
 
Of course test being a mild anabolic it'll take some time to notice gains from it, but then the same goes for anavar. Still slow gains are better than no gains which is what proviron will give you.
 
If you want a "test p -like" experience, just double the dose during the first two or three weeks and stop the test on week 5.
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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/26 16:36:35 (permalink)
Nice advice uriel
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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/26 16:45:05 (permalink)
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I'd take a low dose of test over the proviron any day.
 
Test E "kicks in" minutes after you inject it. It takes weeks for testosterone levels in your blood to max out and stabilize, but it doesn't mean the test you already have in you isn't working, and you can always just front load it to speed it up.
 
Of course test being a mild anabolic it'll take some time to notice gains from it, but then the same goes for anavar. Still slow gains are better than no gains which is what proviron will give you.
 
If you want a "test p -like" experience, just double the dose during the first two or three weeks and stop the test on week 5.


Test E in minutes? I thought it was 24 hours, I know when I inject after being off I feel different rite away but always assumed it was placebo effect and I've been on and off since 2009.

I wouldn't even do an oral only cycle didn't even do one from the off it was right onto test e
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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/26 17:17:18 (permalink)
 
^^^^^ No as Uriel says the test will immediately start to be released into your body.
The Esters just slow the release down to give a prolonged release.(in layman`s terms)

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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/26 17:32:23 (permalink)
Okay, I was always told 24 to 48 hours for it to be slowly released and that it isn't instantly it's it like your injecting into your blood stream.

I know what each of the esters are what and what the half lives are of each, if it really is entering my blood withing minutes after injecting it's not a placebo effect like I thought.

Feels good though either way.
post edited by chris182 - 2014/11/26 17:37:16
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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/26 21:08:00 (permalink)
some great advise.
 
If i was going to drop the Proviron, are you saying they i take test-e 2 weeks before starting the var cycle? what dosage 300mg per week?
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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/26 22:49:15 (permalink)
i hear ya re the dnp but my wife just lost 3 stone in 3 months on the stuff and i've also dropped about 5% body fat in a month and other than being bloody hot i'm not dead yet 
 
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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/27 08:10:55 (permalink)
voodoo ninja
i hear ya re the dnp but my wife just lost 3 stone in 3 months on the stuff and i've also dropped about 5% body fat in a month and other than being bloody hot i'm not dead yet 
 
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5% in one month and your not dead I'm sold, if the T3's don't do much I'll switch to dnp over Christmas.
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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/27 09:01:19 (permalink)
Ninja :Have you posted the dosages of DNP that you used ?

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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/27 10:11:27 (permalink)
i have 200mg capsules mate which i split into 100mg caps. (by getting paracetamol caps out of asda, emptying them and tipping half the dnp in)
 
i started at 200mg ed for the first week (as did natalie) we did this for 6 days, took a day of no dnp and then the following day weighed ourselves, recorded the fat loss and then took the dnp - so basically day off, then weigh yourself the next day and start the dnp again that same day. dnp causes water retention so we wanted a day off to get rid of the water.
 
stuck on that dose for 2 weeks then upped it to 300mg ed. then stuck on the 300mg ed for a month and then upped it to 400mg ed.
 
essentially we upped the dose when we stopped feeling very very hot. natalie works in a freezing cold office so was only sweating at home but i work from home and was literally dragging a towel about with me all day and soaking thru 3 t shirts a day. 
 
i only kept it up for 6 weeks as that was long enough for me to drop 7% body fat but natalie stuck it for 3 months, lost 15% body fat and 3 stone - while watching tv and eating pizza and chips
 
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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/27 10:12:46 (permalink)
I would like to know what dosage you were on, I've just read this article saying to stay on a maximum of 8 days at a time

http://www.vpxsports.com/...rous-drug-for-fat-loss

I've never really looked into it properly, I was just informed that it can be fairly dangerous but I had no idea how effective it was.

For your Mrs to lose 3 stone on it is great, I only need to lose around 5%bf for me to be happy.


Thanks for posting that up ninja, I'm 6ft 3 and 15.10 stone, I was bang on 16stone three weeks ago so the t3 might be doing its job albeit a little slow.
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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/27 10:13:37 (permalink)
i have now known another 4 people (2 girls who don't train and 2 guy's who do) who all lose around the same amount per week:
 
at 400mg ed
general fat loss is 0.75-1% per week
general weight loss is 2-4lb
 
at 400mg ed tho you will be knackered simply walking about - training at all will be exhausting
 
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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/27 10:17:55 (permalink)
btw one of the guy's dived in at 600mg ed - i fooking told him not to then called me in a panic and spent the next 5 hours in a cold bath getting his both temperature down!
 
fyi you're looking for the following internal temperature:
 
normal 35-37 degrees
hyperthermia 37.5-40 degrees
hyperpyrexia 40+ degrees  this is where you start to get brain damage and die!
 
somewhere high normal or low hyperthermia is the target
 
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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/27 10:18:10 (permalink)
Thanks, I'll definitely give it a try sometime at the same dose routine as your tried

I'm sure I'm usually around 38 degrees, I have an ear thermometer the I bought for my kids
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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/27 10:20:47 (permalink)
just build up slowly chris - this is not a drug you want to just jump into at a high dose mate.
 
also keep hydrated - you sweat that much it's rediculous
 
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Re: Oral (only) Cutting Cycle - please have a look 2014/11/27 12:18:18 (permalink)
 
"while watching tv and eating pizza and chips"
Sweet.
 
Thanks for the detailed reply Ninja.
 

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