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2011/03/19 17:08:25 (permalink)

P mag cycle


Ive been considering running my first ph cycle for a good while now and decided on giving pmag a blast. Iwill be starting with the cycle support in 2 weeks and plan to start a journal in that section. Any reccommendations on the cycle would be much appreciated, or any input from those who have ran ph cycles would be too. 


Week 1: 8 Caps/Day Cycle Assist
Week 2: 8 Caps/Day Cycle Assist
Week 3: 50mg/day P-Mag - 8 Caps/Day Cycle Assist
Week 4: 50mg/day P-Mag - 8 Caps/Day Cycle Assist
Week 5: 75mg/day P-Mag - 8 Caps/Day Cycle Assist
Week 6: 75mg/day P-Mag - 8 Caps/Day Cycle Assist
Week 7: 75mg/day P-Mag - 8 Caps/Day Cycle Assist
Week 8: 75mg/day P-Mag - 8 Caps/Day Cycle Assist
Week 9:  6 Caps/Day PCT assist -  20mg Nolvadex/Day - Lean xtreme
Week 10: 6 Caps/Day PCT assist - 20mg Nolvadex/Day - Lean xtreme
Week 11: 6 Caps/Day PCT assist - 10mg Nolvadex/Day - Lean xtreme
Week 12: 6 Caps/Day PCT assist - 10mg Nolvadex/Day -Lean xtreme

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    m118
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/19 17:59:23 (permalink)
    I'd wait until week 3 to start lean xtreme
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/19 18:38:03 (permalink)
    Why is that mate? Would you advise on just running it for the final two weeks of pct then? Or would it be beneficial to run it for longer? Cheers for the reply,,apart from that do you feel anything is missing?
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/19 18:52:36 (permalink)
    Based on what the DS reps say, they say that cortisol rises most notably from week 3 onwards and LX is best used with the aim of lowering cortisol (and the forskolin will help boost test). run it for the full 4 weeks.
     
    Everything looks excellent. However, if you want to save some money, you just run hawthorn berry and milk thistle at 1g/day for 2 weeks prior to the cycle to save you 2 weeks of Cycle assist.
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/19 19:59:57 (permalink)
    The impression I get from P-Mag (only run 1 bottle as part of a stack myself but liked) is gains pretty much come to a halt after 4 weeks.
     
    I would make a suggestion that you start at 75mg too and either run it 4 weeks or use just one bottle for the full 20 days @75mg and bridge it into something else like a Tren product maybe - started around day 10 alongside P-Mag and increase the dose as you reach day 20 and get a 5-6 week cycle like this - I found P-Mag kicked in quite quickly and so is ideal for doing something like this.
     
    I actually used it stacked with Epi and bridged with Tren but on reflection do not think running the Epi was worthwhile. Least aswell with a 6 week cycle 2 bottle of an all in 1 cycle assist product covers your cycle and a preload for 2 weeks.
     
    With P-Mag though I would not get to caught up with preloading, the main reason for this is hawthorn berry for blood pressure as it often initially raises it which is not ideal at the start of a cycle. My experience though was P-Mag has as little effect on bp as anything I have run.
     
    If you do still prefer to cover this base you could just buy a pot of hawthorn and preload without the expense of all the ancilliaries in an all in one product - if you have left over tabs save them as you will most likely run another cycle again in the future.
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/20 14:21:53 (permalink)
    Cheers fellas really appreciate the feedback,, yeah i did consider just using hawthorne, but as its my first ph cycle thought it best to be safe than sorry,, seen alot of people not using a serm for pct due to the mild compound but again,,thought it best not to run the risk,,how did you find pmag jw?? I saw in a past post that you kept a journal but cant seem to find it anywhere? Would really appreciate it if you could alter my dosages for if i included tren.
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/21 09:05:18 (permalink)
    Would not recommend only using hawthorn. This was my suggestion purely for preloading, basically saving you either buying extra all in one of being able save a load for another cycle as no other support supp in there is necessary for preloading. A cheap tub from a health shop like H&B or a bulk provider just to take care of the bp then run your all in one choice come day 1 of the cycle - lot more cost effective.
     
    Journal page 1 is the cycle with Mag, Tren and Epi - stacked/bridged.
    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/tm.aspx?m=4129677
     
     
    The fact you have a SERM for PCT I would consider bridging the two as apposed purely stacking.
    I would buy only the 1xP-Mag and run this for the 20 days @75mg (3caps)
    From around day 8 add the Tren in for 1 week at 60mg (normally 2 caps) and come day 15ish up it to 90mg and run this all the way through.
    As the P-Mag finishes the Tren should get going andtake you through a 5week cycle.
     
    I would increase the PCT a little SERM dose wise and perhaps run the first week @40mg, week 2 20mg and week 3 10mg.
     
     
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/21 21:53:19 (permalink)
    Everthing looks fine to me except the nolva dosing - i'd go with 40mg for the first week.  Good luck
     
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/22 21:02:15 (permalink)
    Cheers for the input fellas,,, jw to be honest mate think ime just gunna run the mag on its own,,first cycle and all may just run it for 4/5 weeks at 75 and assess after week 4,,appreciate the sound advice tho...

    Just one more thing fellas,,, you guys got any preferences on routines whilst using a ph for mass building.. Seen loads of different views and had success with 5x5 and push pull legs in the past,, but am enjoying splits at the moment. Also been looking into dc training.. Just wanna get the best bang for my buck as this stuff aint cheap and really wanna get the most out of this first cycle. Would you advise on volume throughout the cycle then reduce but keeping weight heavy come pct?? Thanks again fellas
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/23 09:10:03 (permalink)
    Thats cool bud - first cycle one compound makes sense.
     
    As you approach 4 weeks pay attention to whether strength and weight still seems to be increasing and determine when to cut the cycle in respect to these stopping and keep the rest of that second pot put away.
     
    If you are enjoying splits stay on them - assuming you are making progress.
     
    Personally I continue training into cycle exactly the same but after the first 1-2 weeks stop increasing weight and perform more reps where strength has increased and continue this, resisiting the urge to slap more discs on untill a couple of days into PCT when the PH will be leaving the system and I will load up the bar with extra and reduce rep targets. So I might have worked up the last stage of a cycle to 4 sets of 8-10 reps, I will then drop to 4x5 with the heavier weight etc
     
    I have done this my last 2 cycles and incrased in strength throughout PCT, not to say this will work for everyone but for me there is logic to it and it appears to work.
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/23 19:52:26 (permalink)
    Cheers mate yeah thats what i thought,,,altho ile be honest its gunna be bloody tempting not slapping sum more on the bar..leaning towards a push pull legs with 3 days on 1 day off,,would you see this as insufficient resting time tho,, was in the frame of mind that it would be ok due to increased recovery, plus ime gunna be eating like a trooper.
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/24 08:34:11 (permalink)
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    Cheers mate yeah thats what i thought,,,altho ile be honest its gunna be bloody tempting not slapping sum more on the bar..leaning towards a push pull legs with 3 days on 1 day off,,would you see this as insufficient resting time tho,, was in the frame of mind that it would be ok due to increased recovery, plus ime gunna be eating like a trooper.

    A PH cycle does increase your ability to recover but is not magic - you can still overtrain and this would not be good as with PCT coming up it would be a very bad place to be.
    Outsisde of adding reps with strength gains on sets I do not believe in adding extra in, we all know recovery is when we grow in which case let that extra recovery potential from the help of the cycle be put towards repairing and growing.
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/24 09:10:00 (permalink)
    When on cycle I can train HARD 6 days a week and still recover providing my cals are high enough - when not on cycle I can just about manage 4 days without 'overtraining'
     
    I train as I normally do when on cycle but tend to up the reps by 2-3 per exercise - then in PCT I stick to 5 x 5 routine to help maintain gains
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/24 10:04:55 (permalink)
    Daari

    When on cycle I can train HARD 6 days a week and still recover providing my cals are high enough - when not on cycle I can just about manage 4 days without 'overtraining'

    I train as I normally do when on cycle but tend to up the reps by 2-3 per exercise - then in PCT I stick to 5 x 5 routine to help maintain gains

     
    So you say you can train hard 6 days a week - do you because you also say you keep everything normal other then increasing reps?
     
    I have found 1-2 weeks it feels like I can get away with another or more frequent sessions but it still catches up - though I have not done this since following a rep increase and not weight increase protocol during cycle and maybe this could make a difference here.
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/26 22:22:12 (permalink)
    I'm going to be starting a P-Mag cycle fairly soon, just waiting for the Nolva to arrive (apparently can take upto a month) so will watch your journal with interest.
     
    I'm looking at doing a similar cycle as you, pre-loading with hawthorn berry for a week (dirt cheap from H&B), except my PCT was going to be Novedex XT (as I have a tub knocking around) along with the Nolva, but wonder if it's worth running the Nolva and Novadex together?
     
    Good luck with your cycle!
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/27 16:03:40 (permalink)
    Wouldnt bother running the xt alongside the nolva serm bud.
    Maybe use it at the end of your serm pct but not alongside.
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/27 16:46:56 (permalink)
    So just run with the nolva 20/20/10/10 as per OP's cycle?
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/27 18:47:34 (permalink)
    tbh i would think 3 weeka would be enough, i would prob go 40/20 start week3 20 and taper down to 10 around day17.
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/28 06:40:09 (permalink)
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    Daari

    When on cycle I can train HARD 6 days a week and still recover providing my cals are high enough - when not on cycle I can just about manage 4 days without 'overtraining'

    I train as I normally do when on cycle but tend to up the reps by 2-3 per exercise - then in PCT I stick to 5 x 5 routine to help maintain gains


    So you say you can train hard 6 days a week - do you because you also say you keep everything normal other then increasing reps?

    I have found 1-2 weeks it feels like I can get away with another or more frequent sessions but it still catches up - though I have not done this since following a rep increase and not weight increase protocol during cycle and maybe this could make a difference here.

     
    I train an extra day or two to bring up lagging bodyparts when on cycle.  I normally stick to around 8 reps, but on cycle I tend to increase to 10-12 reps - then back down to 4-6 within PCT
     
    the more you train - the more you need to eat to recouperate though, I usually take in an extra 600-1000cals a day whilst on cycle
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    Re:P mag cycle 2011/03/28 08:48:04 (permalink)
    All sounds good - could not personally add the days in though irrespective of calorie increases.
     
    Hey we are all different though.
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