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2015/01/08 16:16:29 (permalink)
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PCT - After my first cycle.

I joined because I was grateful that someone took the time to write a good article about Clomid and Nolvadex use in PCT. I ran 400mg of Test Cyp / week and 50 mg of Dianabol / day for about 16 weeks. I gained 17 pounds of muscle...maybe a few were not muscle?? I'm 6 ft. now 196 lbs. AND I am 54 years old! I have a 31" waist and 16" biceps. The rest of me is proportionate although I can't seem to ever make my calves big enough...16" right now....
 
I start my PCT today with Clomid and Nolvadex...my last 200mg injection of test cyp was xmas eve. My last dbol oral 50 mg. a few days later. Hard to quit that!
 
Can anyone comment or point me to quality articles that pertain to the older body builder. MAn, 20-30 years wasted in the gym because I was afraid of gear. What a horrible stigma that has to be removed. PS - Can anyone point me to the real hazards of liver damage from Dbol and how to cleanse the liver befor during or after a cycle?
 
Maybe I will post some pics next. Take care and keep the truth going.
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    brotherfromanother
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    Re: PCT - After my first cycle. 2015/01/08 18:20:03 (permalink)
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    Ive read as many bad as good things about liver support so i dont bother but then again i only frontload with orals an never run longer than 6 weeks injectables however i have ran continusly for years blasting and cruising, the liver is an amazing organ and will repair any damage in time id just reccomend plenty of water.
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    Re: PCT - After my first cycle. 2015/01/11 19:07:15 (permalink)
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    Welcome to MT
     
    I'm moving this to the Steroid section as I feel you'll get a better response there
     
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    Re: PCT - After my first cycle. 2015/01/12 16:54:56 (permalink)
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    Can anyone answer this for me. I appreciate the knowledge.
     
    While I was on my cycle I took sub lingual Letrozole to combat aromitised eostrogen (puffy nipples)
     
    It worked great! 20 mcg / day
     
    QUESTION - Do I need it during my PCT
     
    Day 1 250 mg Clomid / 60MG Tamoxafin- aka Nolvadex
    Day 2-11 50 mg Clomid / 40MG Tamoxafin
    Day 12-21 25 mg Clomid / 20MG Tamoxafin
     
    * I am on Day 5
     
    Thanks for any intel!
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    Re: PCT - After my first cycle. 2015/01/14 14:28:37 (permalink)
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    did you take HCG throughout your cycle?
     
    Also if you dont mind me asking did you get your BP and cholesterol taken during your cycle? 50mg dbol is a lot especially at 51 years old (no offence)
    post edited by edcase - 2015/01/14 14:30:12
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    Re: PCT - After my first cycle. 2015/01/14 14:40:56 (permalink)
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    No need for letro the Clomid and Nolva will do the job for you nicely.
    As to Dbol and liver toxicity yes it can place some stress on the liver but if you are generally healthy and dont abuse alcohol your liver is capable of recovering without any additional supplements.
    Ironically your liver will still need to work to deal with the "liver protectants" anyway.
    Just ensure you have sufficient time "off" before cycling again.
    It is prudent to get some blood tests but if you feel good and not lethargic I wouldn`t bother. 
     

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    Re: PCT - After my first cycle. 2015/01/14 14:51:04 (permalink)
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    No. I did not. I wasn't aware that it would help with testicular atrophy during the cycle. Which I had. Not too bad, but noticeable.
    I am already on Blood Pressure medicine before my cycle.
    Also BPH Medicine
    And Omeprazole for GERD
    I monitored my BP a lot. It was ok during the cycle, probably thanks to the BP medicine I was already taking.
    My cholesteral was good before the cycle, but I did not know how to monitor during?
    I realized 50mg of d-bol/ day was on the high end.
     
    I plan on a full physical in Feb or March and a Spring Cycle with more knowledge.
     
    I may be old (Actually 54 in May) - But I have been a gym rat my whole life. Without Gear!! Makes me mad now! I Didn't know what I know now. I don't know how to post a pic?
     
    Anyway. I want to know more, that's why I am asking. Do I need to worry about combating gyno during my PCT?
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    Thanks Ed
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    Re: PCT - After my first cycle. 2015/01/14 14:57:19 (permalink)
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    Thanks Dumbat! Yes my cycle was AWESOME!!! I am healthy. Been in the gym 30 years getting as far as I could with traditional systems.
    I gained 19 lbs 176 to 194.7
    Ate 6000 calories a day. Didn't poop half as much as usual. My system was like a furnace, hungry for fuel!
    I hit the gym everyday. Strength went way up. Recover, easy. and fun! I could flex and my muscles and they would just come alive!! I got so ripped, I couldn't hide it. People were like "what??"
     
    The rage/aggression is real. But I just reminded myself it was temp. and kept my mouth shut.
     
    Thanks for the knowledge.
     
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    Re: PCT - After my first cycle. 2015/01/14 16:07:04 (permalink)
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    PCT is one of those things you get many different opinions. i would research PoWeR PCT Program by Dr. Michael Scally as it is one of the only PCTs recommended by a doctor with lab results to back it up. most of others you read is hearsay 
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    Re: PCT - After my first cycle. 2015/01/14 16:26:57 (permalink)
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    Thanks Ed. I guess I have seen 2 split camps on the HCG used in PCT or not. Damn!
     
    I did read Scally's article and it makes good sense to use the HCG in the beginning of PCT to enable the process.
     
    I'll find out when I get some bloods done. I'll post it.
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    Re: PCT - After my first cycle. 2015/01/14 16:29:21 (permalink)
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    I wouldn`t bother monitoring Cholesterol during a cycle as it is likely to be affected by AAS anyway and should recover when off cycle. If you were running a very long cycle, 12 months or so,  then it may be worth doing.
    Monitoring B.P. is of more use during cycle IMO.
    It is of more use to get cholesterol tested once you have recovered your natural hormone balance some time after PCT. If you have concerns.
    This is worth a read, although the recommended dose of Nolva are a bit higher than I would use.
    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/articles/clomid-hcg.aspx
     
    The Clomid should bring your testicles back to size. HCG can be used either during a cycle to help prevent testicular atrophy or it can used in the  two or three weeks before PCT starts. I wouldnt use it during PCT .
     
    Its cool to have another "older" juicer on the board 
     
    post edited by Dumbat - 2015/01/14 16:31:49

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    Re: PCT - After my first cycle. 2015/01/16 11:22:59 (permalink)
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    if you read the PoWeR PCT Program you start the HCG while the long easters are still active in the body so technically you are still "on" during he HCG administration. people who advise against HCG are normally talking when the PCT is started when you are "off  personally i will always take HCG during the whole cycle something like 250iu E3d as it i dont like my balls shrinking and i'm sure in increases my mood and sex drive. 
     
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