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PCT and HCG for Sus 8 weeker

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2007/06/20 14:23:50 (permalink)
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PCT and HCG for Sus 8 weeker

Hi guys,

Just want to make absolutely certain I've got my PCT planned correctly. I've always had PCT planned in to my cycle but read a few things which might mean I need to tweak it slightly.

On 500mg/wk split in two (Mon/Thur) for 8 weeks. Currently in 6th week and last injection will be 5th July. PCT would be 3 weeks from then starting 26th July as follows.

Day 1 - Nolvadex 60mg
Following 10 days - Nolvadex 40mg ed
Following 10 days - Nolvadex 20mg ed

Up to this point I think its fairly standard. I also got some HCG and this is where I might need to tweak it.

Firstly, is it recommended to use HCG for this cycle (Sus only 500mg/wk) and the fact that this is my first cycle? Opinion seems to be split, especially for this type of 'light' cycle but I bought some anyway.

Secondly, if HCG is used it should be used for 2 weeks ed at 500IU's with this 2 week period ending a week before starting PCT. Is this correct? If so the HCG jabs would start the day after my last Sus jab.

Additional info: Gains have been good so far, almost 5kg and still got a way to go. Sides seem to be kept at bay, no acne, water retention, sore nips etc. Have been using AIFM daily. Only things are a bit restless at night and horny as a rampant rabbit. From reading up it seems sides can come up during PCT too so not raving about it just yet.

Think that about covers it, any info on this would be great, cheers.
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    cLaTTeReD
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    RE: PCT and HCG for Sus 8 weeker 2007/06/20 14:38:15 (permalink)
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    RE: PCT and HCG for Sus 8 weeker 2007/06/20 14:46:05 (permalink)
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    Hi Clattered,

    Thanks for the link. Already read it and was one of the articles that made me move HCG from during PCT to before PCT. But I'm not sure if I should be using it at all on this cycle. The article mentions HCG for "longer or heavier cycles". Whats the point where you would start using it? Would it be playing it safe to use it on a lighter cycle?

    Cheers,

    Carl
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    RE: PCT and HCG for Sus 8 weeker 2007/06/20 15:05:27 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: CarlH

    Whats the point where you would start using it? Would it be playing it safe to use it on a lighter cycle?




    Have it on hand, only use it if your balls shrink.

    Also, consider doing 10 or 12 weeks.

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    RE: PCT and HCG for Sus 8 weeker 2007/06/20 15:17:56 (permalink)
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    Hi Daveo,

    I've noticed a slight bit of shrinkage but it is only slight. Guess I can wait and see up to the point when I need to start.

    Have considered extending the cycle to 10 weeks, have no problem with the jabs or anything so would do it but was recommended by a mates whos done several cycles not to as it was my first cycle. Its one opinion, so I'm definatly open to other suggestions.
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    RE: PCT and HCG for Sus 8 weeker 2007/06/20 15:28:59 (permalink)
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    using hgc DURING your course is better.
    only use it if your nuts shrink which i cant see being much of a problem on an 8 week test cycle.

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    RE: PCT and HCG for Sus 8 weeker 2007/06/20 16:22:13 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: CarlH

    Have considered extending the cycle to 10 weeks, have no problem with the jabs or anything so would do it but was recommended by a mates whos done several cycles not to as it was my first cycle.


    My thinking is that if i'm going to go to the expense of doing a cycle (not to mention the dietary and exercise discipline, as well as the hassle of PCT) that i want to get the most out of it that i possibly can. Also, i won'd be able to do another cycle for a few months afterwards anyway.
    But 8 weeks will probably be fine.

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    RE: PCT and HCG for Sus 8 weeker 2007/06/20 17:02:31 (permalink)
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    I will look in to whether I can get enough to extend the cycle by the time I need it. If that can't happen not much point in considering it.

    As for the HCG looks like its a wait and see game, if balls shrink (unlikely on this cycle) then use it.
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    RE: PCT and HCG for Sus 8 weeker 2007/07/16 11:26:31 (permalink)
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    HCG is probably best used mid cycle, though can be used at end of cycle.

    generally do not reccomend nolva for PCT

    reccomend clomid, no frontload
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    RE: PCT and HCG for Sus 8 weeker 2007/07/16 11:37:12 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: macrophage

    generally do not reccomend nolva for PCT

    reccomend clomid, no frontload



    Why?
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    RE: PCT and HCG for Sus 8 weeker 2007/07/16 12:16:35 (permalink)
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    Nolva is a great PCT med I follow Anthony Roberts PCT and it is great.

    Cheese is a kind of meat a tasty yellow beef.....
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    RE: PCT and HCG for Sus 8 weeker 2007/07/16 12:36:27 (permalink)
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    generally do not reccomend nolva for PCT


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    RE: PCT and HCG for Sus 8 weeker 2007/07/30 19:06:24 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: AndyGP

    generally do not reccomend nolva for PCT





    nolva is not established as effective for PCT. Have seen widespread poor recovery from Nolva use, especially when there is significant suppression. If you are not that suppressed (and would likely recovery naturally) nolva tends to "work", but thats not really a testament to its effectiveness (except as a priming agent- see below)

    Clomid on the other hand is well established for its efficacy in restoring the HPGA.

    Nolva has only been shown to prime LH response, so use with/prior to HCG is established.
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    RE: PCT and HCG for Sus 8 weeker 2007/09/08 19:22:57 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: AndyGP

    using hgc DURING your course is better.
    only use it if your nuts shrink which i cant see being much of a problem on an 8 week test cycle.




    generally agree. HCG is a great restorative, though it is also a common cause of gyno, even AI's may have limited effectiveness because upregulation of testicular aromatase is a key factor (where AI's influence may be less significant). Also its promiscuos binding the the thryoid releasing hormone receptor.
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