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Pace of lifting?

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2007/06/07 04:02:41 (permalink)

Pace of lifting?

What do you guys think is the optimal speed for increasing mass and strength?
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    ToxicToffee
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    RE: Pace of lifting? 2007/06/07 09:02:45 (permalink)
    which exercise?
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    RE: Pace of lifting? 2007/06/07 11:01:53 (permalink)
    I've always trained at what speed feels natural.Too fast and the form gets a bit sloppy and too slow I have to use really light weights.
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    walloper
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    RE: Pace of lifting? 2007/06/07 13:18:28 (permalink)
    TT: No specific one. I'm just thinking in general? Could you give examples where either extreme would be preferable?

    same here cleg, the problem is there's I person I know that doesn't stop talking about how super slow movement with light weights is the best.

    thanks
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    mbironman
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    RE: Pace of lifting? 2007/06/07 13:51:04 (permalink)
    Its pretty ueful to be quick with snatch, clean and jerk etc.....

    It depends what your training for generally. Everyone used to be scared of training with speed, but in the right trainee at the right time it can work a treat.

    Generally though, for strength (not power) and size, stick to relatively slow (2-3 second +ives and -ives) tempo's.

    Not a fan of the 15second superslow stuff
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    RE: Pace of lifting? 2007/06/07 17:17:45 (permalink)
    I think it largly depends on your goals.

    "light weights" .. if you ar BB, the weights are mearly a means to an end. If light makes you grow, then light is best.

    Powerlifting is a whole different ball game, but too many people train to achieve a BB look, yet use a poerlifting type routine / form because it looks more impressive in the gym.

    Like most things in life, the right tool for the right job is needed.
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    RE: Pace of lifting? 2007/06/07 21:27:36 (permalink)
    So the slower the rep the less reps that you can complete and the faster the reps the more reps you can complete?
    Is this true if so what is better ?
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    RE: Pace of lifting? 2007/06/07 21:40:07 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: cleg

    too slow I have to use really light weights.


    Is that a bad thing?
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    walloper
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    RE: Pace of lifting? 2007/06/07 23:07:19 (permalink)

    Generally though, for strength (not power) and size, stick to relatively slow (2-3 second +ives and -ives) tempo's.

    Not a fan of the 15second superslow stuff


    In my case that's exactly the thing,
    I do the the first one; the other person does the latter one(superslow).
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    Conclusion(verify please ):
    person specific and no clear answers, neither is wrong as long as both are done with proper form.

    got a good article about this subject? post it here please

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    RE: Pace of lifting? 2007/06/07 23:28:27 (permalink)
    I've just started doing slower reps and less weight and am impressed with the results. Was doing 58kilos on the bench but not really feeling like I was getting a good workout but did 45 kilos the other day and really cleaned up my form and it made a huge difference. Like Bironman said above, 2-3 seconds either way.

    If I do fast reps I lose the form and quality is important.

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    RE: Pace of lifting? 2007/06/08 13:01:09 (permalink)
    if you just want to lift a weight above your head then how fast you lift it is irrelevent as long as you get it up.

    but if its for muscle gain then thats a different matter,if you just swing a weight up "lets use the curl for eg" with a heavy weight then some of the time the weight will be in the air IE not under muscle tension so less TUT.
    dont agree with all this super slow stuff though
    IMO just lift at your natural speed and keep the weight under control.
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    RE: Pace of lifting? 2007/06/08 14:05:18 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: cleg

    I've always trained at what speed feels natural.Too fast and the form gets a bit sloppy.


    Yeah agree m8. Im trainin 4 size so forms more important than what weight im liftin.
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    RE: Pace of lifting? 2007/06/08 15:53:06 (permalink)
    i train expolisivdely and controlled. the actual speed itself does not matter as much
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    walloper
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    RE: Pace of lifting? 2007/07/21 05:45:46 (permalink)
    bump

    Original question ^^^

    Any articles or a TT post?

    Please give an example where either extreme would be preferable.

    I lift just what I feel is natural; correct form; heaviest weights I can manage to keep under control. The other person says the slower (lighter the weights)(he does super slow: ~10sec) ; the greater the exertion; the greater the results. Both aimed at BBing (my nickname).

    Person specific, right?
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    RE: Pace of lifting? 2007/07/21 07:03:04 (permalink)
    ***bit off topic*** Why is powerlifting bad for bodybuilder? I thought lifting heavy weights and trying to lift bigger weights each week was a good strategy for building muscle? Didn't many classic bodybuilders start as powerlifters? (Columbo?)
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    RE: Pace of lifting? 2007/07/21 07:34:09 (permalink)
    http://www.t-nation.com/tmagnum/readTopic.do?id=1650077&pageNo=0

    I like what Chad Waterbury says. anyone want to add something or disagree?
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    RE: Pace of lifting? 2007/07/21 09:59:52 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Slyblackdragon

    ***bit off topic*** Why is powerlifting bad for bodybuilder? I thought lifting heavy weights and trying to lift bigger weights each week was a good strategy for building muscle? Didn't many classic bodybuilders start as powerlifters? (Columbo?)


    becuase to get the best out of powerlifting your rotuine will be based on getting strong, while the best body building routine will be aimed at getting you big.
    one routine will not be optimal for both.
    however there is not a huge difference between them both.
    also a powerlifting routine will not concentrate on biceps as much as a body building routine.

    saying this, you can get very big and look good from doing some powerlifting routines, and some body builders will get very strong from doing a body building routine.

    this is generilising. but even on this site on the last few days there like 20 different body building routines going on, that are all different. so to say body building routine is not good for this, is a little to much of a generalisation as so many variation of them
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    RE: Pace of lifting? 2007/07/21 12:40:51 (permalink)
    I really wouldn't worry to much reg tempo. Use a controlled eccentric and a powerfull concentric.

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