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2011/04/01 19:27:29 (permalink)
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Paleo Diet

Hi guys and dolls,
 
Has anyone on here tried or based their nutrition around the Paleo diet and its principles.  I read an article in musclemag and looked up some stuff online and the info is overwhelming.
 
Im just looking for some first hand feedback to this kind of lifestyle.
 
cheers in advance ;)

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    Re:Paleo Diet 2011/04/01 20:18:36 (permalink)
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    mine is - there has been a thread about me being off the juice for a year and the convo sort of turned to diet and other things i will post the link in a sec
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    Re:Paleo Diet 2011/04/02 03:43:20 (permalink)
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    cheers mate, good thread and a good read -- Im considering giving the paleo a go as much as possible.  It essentially is a caveman style diet in the sense that you eat as natural as possible with the theory being that you should be able to absorb more, therefore on a bulk could potentially gain better, and on a cut or maintenence you could eat less food yet fell better for it.  Im going to take another few days to read up more and post a possible diet plan on heer, thanks for the head up :)

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    Re:Paleo Diet 2011/04/02 08:22:57 (permalink)
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    Mod Drew recently wrote an article for Men Health on the paleo diet - I'm sure he has done a few threads on the subject here too.
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    Re:Paleo Diet 2011/04/02 14:23:09 (permalink)
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    Mod Drew recently wrote an article for Men Health on the paleo diet - I'm sure he has done a few threads on the subject here too.

    cool, i'll take a look.  From the same diet swordfish put up I counted up the carbs based on info I could find and it was low imo. lucy if it got to 120g of carbs, so its essentially a low carb, high fat moderate protein diet full of nutrient dense carbs?  I don't know how its possible to grow off of such little carbs, but in my case I am planning to cut up and then come off the gear and maintain for a few months so It may well suit me and keep me leanish as its enough food to feel full, lots of nutrients and no junk.
     
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    Re:Paleo Diet 2011/04/02 17:07:25 (permalink)
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    Been eating pretty much Paleo diet for 6+ months now. One of best things I've done. Quite good if (like me), you dont tolerate carbs well and gain weight easily. Took a little bit of time to perfect a bit - energy levels, variety of food etc...
     
    Although I use isotonic during workout and something along lines of slice of seeded wholemeal PPWO (~20g carbs). 'Paleo meets sports nutrition' is a phrase being mentioned more.
     
    More energy and better sustained (less lethargic), eat more variety of foods, general improvement in health and steadily lean out whilst gaining strength and a bit of size.
     
    Try it.
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    Re:Paleo Diet 2011/04/06 08:44:39 (permalink)
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    I lost over 4 stone doing a paleo diet last year, but I was a proper lump when I started.
     
    Meat and nuts for breakfast is the future lol.
     
    If you want to discuss it or ask any questions, fire away buddy. 

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    Re:Paleo Diet 2011/04/07 02:38:16 (permalink)
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    I lost over 4 stone doing a paleo diet last year, but I was a proper lump when I started.

    Meat and nuts for breakfast is the future lol.

    If you want to discuss it or ask any questions, fire away buddy. 

    cheers mate, I am interested in eating this way as part of a lifestyle for two reasons. Firstly I don't have the most regular normal toilet habits and secondly I am greedy lol!
     
    I followed a ckd diet last year with great success and again this year to a point prior to a bulk, however it appears to work for me as It is strict.
     
    Paleo appeals to me for all the right reasons and some selfish ones that you could perhaps confirm as fact or not.  A friend follows the diet (just found out tonight) and like yourself he lsost weight, gained strength and was fitter for it however he has confused me tonight with his interpretation.  He ate a fry up tonight on the diet with beef sausages, free range eggs and bacon and potobello muschrooms.  This appears odd to me as I wouldn't have thought that this would be the norm?
     
    He also advised that he ate a lot of the foods on the diet in large amounts and lost weight. He didn't weigh things out or anything, simply had a list of foods that you can eat on the diet and put together a few meals a day providing that they were on the list. Again this appears odd as I can't see how to regulate calories without recording what you eat?
     
    Lastly he is a followe of CrossFit and has trained like this for months and told me that most of the people that do crossfit follow this diet as the holly grail of nutrition. He also said Rob Wolfe (<spelling?) is the guru on the net about this.
     
    Feel free to correct, educate and share what you know sir, I'm on my keto until the end of may and plan to run the paleo for the rest of the year to give time to show how the long term effects and practicality effect me.
     
    cheers

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    Re:Paleo Diet 2011/04/07 07:40:52 (permalink)
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    the fry up isnt stricktly paleo - its ment to be lean meats and deffo not bacon with all the things dont to it.
    BUT that meal is still better than most totaly none paleo, if he had some spinach with that meal and used coconut oil to fry it would be a good paleo cheat meal.
     
    have you got a book on paleo? there is one for "athletes" aswell but thats more geard around long distance running not bodybuilding
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    Re:Paleo Diet 2011/04/07 09:59:13 (permalink)
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    I stumbled across the whole thing last year when I went to see a mate of mine for some advice and professional help. (He is a Poliquin trained coach top boff and specializes in body recomps)
     
    So I had been out the weights game for a few years, I was down in the dumps about various aspects of life professionally and personally, suffered from stress and bouts of depression and my only joys was found in junk food lol. 
     
    I decided to sort my act out and knew that if made an investment to do it, I would stick to it. So I went in Feb last year to see my mate in my very fat state, rolling in at 19 stone! He took my body fat measurement via a biosignature at 37%   (I'm 5'10 too so I was a proper lard ball)
     
    We discussed various aspects about my situations and it was obvious I needed to be making some big changes. He put me on a few supplements (Multi-Vit, Zinc, Magnesium, D3 and Fish Oils) and put me on Paleo.
     
    Having been into my body building before, I was familair with the lifestyle of eating every few hours etc so that was no surprise. The basic rules really was quite simple... cut out all sugar, all processed foods and all man made food. If it didn't walk, fly, swim or grow, I wasn't eating it. So it was all down to meat, veg, nuts and supps. I made the choice also to eat organic where possible.
     
    I have always loved eating meat so this was heaven. I initally struggled with missing things like condiments, but eventually, I didn't miss them at all, and just used seasoning etc.
     
    I read this book and it made quite a lot of sense...
     
    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Paleo-Diet-Weight-Healthy-Designed/dp/0470913029/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1302165360&sr=8-1 
     
    I read tons of articles on Poliquins site too, I will post the ones that are relevant later as the site is down for upgrade at present time.
     
    Most of what you say about your buddy is spot on though, I didn't weigh out food, I just shot for 250g to 350g of meat each meal time. I threw in various green veg too and the odd fibre supplement to help keep me regular. I snacked on nuts when I was peckish in between meals and best of all, I did hardly any CV. I just trained 3 to 4 times a week with weights in a GBC (German Body Comp) style and the weight just fell off. Strength went up and overall mood, health and well being improved dramitcally.
     
    Sorry to waffle on lol.
     

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    Re:Paleo Diet 2011/04/07 11:38:41 (permalink)
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    Hello guys...I'm so sorry to push into this..but...could I ask a question?...so, instead of putting rice with a main meal, are you saying it would be better to chop up some raw greens and you would still get the same or better benefit?...I love eating veggies, raw, cooked, any ole way...and actually would prefer to eat them instead of the rice....after reading this thread so far I'm thinking I could just chop up some raw broccoli and/or cabbage and that would be the same?....
     
    Sorry if I have got the wrong end of the idea...but it appeals to me rather than having rice.....thanks for any answer...
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    Re:Paleo Diet 2011/04/07 15:32:15 (permalink)
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    I have read just about all the literature on the paleo approach and connected research, I like the paleo approach as it pushes food quality, it is also amazingly useful in some clinical sitations.
     
    But there are things to remember though:
     
    1) It is practically difficult - we live in grain based societies who also like their dairy products.
     
    2) It is expensive
     
    3) The things we eat aren't strictly paleo either for example we have changed fruit so it is larger and contains more sugar, cows aren't bison any more and they mostly eat different things - pure grass fed beef is extensive corn finished is cheap.
     
    4) There isn't one paleo diet,e.g. inuit vs pacific islander
     
    5) A lot of the science that backs 'paleo' is not an 'intervention' i.e. not getting a load of people and putting then on the diet and then seeing what happens - although this does exist and the results and pretty jaw dropping.
     
    People who are interested in the higher quality evidence are looking at the mechanism of disease and avoiding the 'big hitters' in their daily lives usually focusing on being 'grain, legume and dairy free' not paleo - that is nearly impossible (see 2). I prefer this way of looking at it.
     
    Their focus is usually on elimitaing things in this order: 
    grains esp wheat > modern foods like seed oils and non fruit fructose > legumes > dairy
    because that is where the direct evidence points (WGA binding, prolamine anitbodies in non celiac individuals etc etc)
     
    5) PALEO DOESN'T MEAN LOW CARB - the biggest misconception - you can have sweet potatoes, yams, fruit etc with every meal if you wish.
     
    6) You can still fcuk up on the paleo diet. I saw a client yesterday who did it for a year in which half her intake was from fruit... her gut and auto immune issues disappeared, but she was seeing me for weight loss... in this example insulin is insulin no matter what made you produce it and too much insulin is bad long term.
     
    Just because something is 'Paleo' doesn't mean it open season I'm talking about nuts and other things like honey.
     
    A book worth having a look at IMO is this:
    http://drewprice.co.uk/blog/?p=553
     
    My personal approach
    1) Eat meats, fish and lots of fibrous veg.
    2) Use food oils, fruit, nuts and seeds like a condiment
    3) Get the majority of your carbs in around training mostly from things like sweet pots and the like.
    4) Use protein supplements wisely and judiciously.
     
    This is expanded here:
     
    http://drewprice.co.uk/blog/?p=571
     
    It's goal dependent mate, my goal is not huge-ness mine is health and performance long term. You can get very big on the paleo approach of course (see US amer football players who use it).
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    Re:Paleo Diet 2011/04/07 15:42:54 (permalink)
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    Hi Drew,
     
    Good post and great points. It is an expensive diet, especially when you try and source high quality meats like organic grass fed beef etc. I spent most of my wages on food ha ha.
     
    I avoided fruits during my diet, it was a restricted list of things I could eat but like your personal approach, mine was very similar.

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    Re:Paleo Diet 2011/04/07 15:49:28 (permalink)
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    It is expensive as a client pointed out the other day. My reply to them:
     
    "Right now, name me 5 things that you think are a higher priority than good food and the health it supports. Nice Breitling by the way"
     
    It's tough love in clinic.
     
    Yes... fruit... Many see it as something they can just eat an unlimited amount of, sadly this isn't true just as it is for nuts. Most of the advantages of eating fruit can be got from veg anyway...
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    Re:Paleo Diet 2011/04/08 04:14:14 (permalink)
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    big thanks to the lone wolf and drew for the feedback.
     
    I guess as a greedy sugar lover I am looking for an alternative way of eating.  I haven't given up on being big and muscular but unless I eat alot of carbs, mainly pasta, oats and wholemeal bread -- then I struggle to get above 16stone. I'm 103kg just now, circa 18% bodyfat and I ea 90% clean foods, but also chuck a few biscuits, crisps and the like down my throat when on a dirty bulk, the result is not much more size or fat for that matter.
     
    I have concluded that this could be a couple of things, one of which might be my ability to absorb the nutrients from certain sources and the other is that I might not be predisposed to being muscular   I have 17 inch arms just now and a 47 inch chest, abs are visible when flexed and I am lean most places on my body other than mudsection and mid/lower back.
     
    I figure that it I changed to "as close as possible" to paleo then I could potentially see body comp changes that I hadn't sen before (apart from the dave palumbo keto I did last year)
     
    My partner is also interested in the long term health benifts that most of the info points to, and since our 6 year old son isn't a picky eater I would think the 3 of us would be better off on this kind of lifestyle.
     
    I heard of a few folk still usingwhey protein and malto pre and post workout, occasionally drinking alchohol and STILL losing fat, looking and feeling fitter and healthier and making improvements to their physiques so I think I will definately give it a go.
     
    I will check out the books on sat, and plan on getting a recipe book of paleo foods as I have a sample from paleo lifstyle.com and I swear I would pay for the food in a restraunt it looks so good!!
     
    cheers again, keep the info coming as nearly 300 folk appear to have shown and interest in this thread :)
     
    p.s
    I can source chicken and fish very cheaply and also beef, unfotunately the beef isn't grass fed though.  I can also get fresh fish reasonably thats a variety from tuna, salmon, trout, cod etc. and organic veg isn't that bad in price so I am not put off with the price :)

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    Re:Paleo Diet 2011/04/08 08:35:11 (permalink)
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    In terms of Beef, oranic grass fed really is king as far as I know. I pay extra for the quality, but I do eat a great deal of it :-)
     
    I often hit my local farmers market too and pick up things like grass fed buffalo and bison (I think their the same mind lol)
     
    In terms of what whey I use, I opt for Reflex Natural Whey and it does the job. The taste isn't amazing, but it's not rancid either and easily goes down the hatch post workout!
     
    Here is a few of Poliquins articles...
    The Meat and Nut breakfast.
    http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/270/The_Meat_and_Nut_Breakfast.aspx
    The 150 healthiest foods.
    http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/39/150_Healthiest_Foods_on_Earth.aspx
    The pros and cons of low carb
    http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMultimedia/Articles/Article/115/The_Advantages_and_Disadvantages_of_Low_Carb_Nutri.aspx
     
     
     

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    Re:Paleo Diet 2011/04/08 10:18:40 (permalink)
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    Been on the Paleo type diet for about 10weeks now. Read most of the books Paleo Solution, Primal Blueprint (my favourite), Paleo for athletes.
    Incredible diet to start with as I never really felt hungry but I have found it more difficult over the last couple of weeks. Biggest problem I find is that I work all over the place and I am out of the house for over 12 hours a day over the summer months so preparation and food choices have become difficult. My job is very physical and cold sweet potatoes don't really make a nice packed lunch and the thought of preparing the food the night before becomes daunting.
    A bit the bullet last week and decided to bring a few slices of burgen and linseed bread back into my diet so I can make sandwiches for my lunchbox.
    Over the winter months where I mostly work from home I will back on the diet 100%.
     

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    Re:Paleo Diet 2011/04/08 10:34:17 (permalink)
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    Drew, what's your take on Rob Wolf's view that the majority of the modern population has some form of gluten/wheat intolerance?
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    Re:Paleo Diet 2011/04/08 11:00:13 (permalink)
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    The_Lone_Wolf

    In terms of Beef, oranic grass fed really is king as far as I know. I pay extra for the quality, but I do eat a great deal of it :-)

    I often hit my local farmers market too and pick up things like grass fed buffalo and bison (I think their the same mind lol)


     
    Do you use any online supplier for your grass fed beef?

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