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2011/03/26 18:36:25 (permalink)
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Performing Pull-ups?

Sickening. I just posted a pretty in depth post but the page cancelled when trying to post so it's disappeared now. 
 
The question was quite simple- what factors a pull-up? I always thought it was strong lats and a relevantly low bodyfat depending on measurements etc but there are lads in my gym who have more fat on them than me and can't lift as much weights when it comes to pulldowns and pullovers etc. I can never manage more than 2 lifts...
 
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    Liddy
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    Re:Performing Pull-ups? 2011/03/26 18:55:51 (permalink)
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    Well pull-ups would depend on strength to weight ratio.
    Pulldowns are just simply strength as you can pull more than your body-weight.
     
    Other than that, I don't really understand the question. 
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    Re:Performing Pull-ups? 2011/03/26 19:05:31 (permalink)
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    There is also an element of technique with pull ups, try adding a slight swing at the bottom of each rep as this makes it a lot easier.
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    Re:Performing Pull-ups? 2011/03/26 19:12:59 (permalink)
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    Yeah it's all about your weight, or specifically your power to weight ratio.
     
    At the end of my cut last year when I was at my lightest I could do 10 overhand pull ups and even more chin ups, and I was deadlifting around 140x5. Now I deadlift 180x5 and I can only do 5 or so chin ups, and probably only 1 or 2 pull ups if any! Reason being, I now weigh about 12kg heavier than I did then, and a lot of it is fat.
     
    I don't really understand the question either though!

    "Be adequate"
     
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    Re:Performing Pull-ups? 2011/03/26 19:27:08 (permalink)
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    Yeah sorry lads- I did type it out in a lot more detail but my browser crashed and so I couldn't really be bothered typing it all out again!
     
    The reason I ask is because I want to follow a routine similar to this;
     
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/md42.htm
     
    for pre-season for this summers rugby- but it's rather useless at the minute if I can't lift my own bodyweight, so I reckon another month of cutting should suffice before I do...

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    Re:Performing Pull-ups? 2011/03/26 19:31:10 (permalink)
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    As above its about strength to weight ratio, I,m a bit confused as to what the question is?......To me a pull-up should be performed with your arms at full stretch while suspended then pull up until your chin clears the height of the bar on which you are using, then repeat performing a full range of motion and working maximum muscle groups, but as with most exercises there are many variations and you must find the technique which you feel is best suited for yourself and produces the best results.
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    Re:Performing Pull-ups? 2011/03/27 00:06:20 (permalink)
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    As said by others its just strength to weight ratio, i know people who can literally do pulll ups for ages, but when it comes to lifting on deadlift or bench etc then theyre not strong at all.
    Best way to improve is practice anyway.



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    Re:Performing Pull-ups? 2011/03/29 15:52:48 (permalink)
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    Agree with the above.
     
    They are a lat /arm exercise primarily and power to weight is important, although it's not the be all and end all. I weigh 15 stone and can crank out sets of 10 bodyweight and 5-6 x 5 with plate, but then I'm a climber and train chins, pull ups, lock off's, and frenchies a lot (and for 20 years now).
     
    You can train recruitment by doing deadhangs and shrugging, by doing negatives and frenchies (youtube this).
    The main way to get better is get practicing though. Try and put a bar over a door or somewhere at home or work - every time you pass it do a couple. You'll be surprised how quickly you improve. It's called greasing the groove - and you gotta grease the groove.
    post edited by Bollard - 2011/03/29 15:55:39
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    Re:Performing Pull-ups? 2011/03/29 16:03:15 (permalink)
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    I really want to get strong at chin ups but there is a fundamental conundrum for me, in that in order to get stronger at them I have to lose weight, whereas in order to get stronger at all my other lifts I (pretty much) have to gain weight. So it would seem that as long as my other lifts are going up, my chin ups never will. And I will only get good at chin ups after cutting.

    "Be adequate"
     
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    Re:Performing Pull-ups? 2011/03/29 16:06:21 (permalink)
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    Grease the Groove CK. It works.
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    Re:Performing Pull-ups? 2011/03/29 16:17:06 (permalink)
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    As bollard said putting up a bar on a frame somewhere really does help, when im back home i have one (not at my uni flat) but do a set of 8 or so each time i walk past, massive improvements and 8 is easy now



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    Re:Performing Pull-ups? 2011/03/29 16:22:03 (permalink)
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    Pull-ups is definately something that requires practice.......I disagree with the body weight argument to a degree in that the guy I train with was of that same opinion, he weighs 16 stone and could barely manage one strict long arm rep, 3 months down the line he can complete 3 sets of 6-8 reps, pretty good going from where he started from.....plus one of the guys there is 20 stone + and can pull up for 10 reps with a 20 plate round his waist.......I think its the same with alot of exercises wherby if someone is,nt very good at that exercise they tend to shy away from it, alot like myself and squats but i,m focusing more on my weak points now and some good progress is being made.
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    Re:Performing Pull-ups? 2011/03/29 16:44:07 (permalink)
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    welshwizard10

    Yeah sorry lads- I did type it out in a lot more detail but my browser crashed and so I couldn't really be bothered typing it all out again!

    The reason I ask is because I want to follow a routine similar to this;

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/md42.htm

    for pre-season for this summers rugby- but it's rather useless at the minute if I can't lift my own bodyweight, so I reckon another month of cutting should suffice before I do...


    If you are struggling to lift your bodyweight try using an resistance band to get you started, they are available from ebay cheap enough and you can get them with different resistance depending on how much help you need.
     
    Aslo do negatives, start at the highest point of the chin position then lower yourself down as slowly as possible.
    post edited by BBC - 2011/03/29 16:52:03
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    Re:Performing Pull-ups? 2011/03/29 21:22:16 (permalink)
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    You might like my post on the subject.  It's worth reading all the articles.
     
    http://www.muscletalk.co....p;high=pull+up+chin+up
     
    Grip and forearm strength is also very important.
     
    I gave http://www.fiftypullups.com/ a go a while back.  Though only for about a month.  It's worth trying....
     
    To the OP....
     
    What weight are you ? and how many Pull-Ups can you do ?
     
     
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    Re:Performing Pull-ups? 2011/04/02 10:36:39 (permalink)
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    im looking at doing 2x10 wide grip pull ups and 3x8 close grip chins as part of a new programme. I'll also be doing dips.

    I've been doing chins first on my current workout. Twice a week

    I started off doing 4, 3, 2 on chins with 3mins rest in between. I now do 8, 5.5, 3.5 with 2mins rest. That only taken 2 weeks.

    Same with dips started doing 6, 6, 4 with 3mins. Now doing 10, 9, 7 with 2mins rest.

    When I can do 3 sets of 8 on chins I'll do 2 sets of pulls before. 3 mins rest. Even if I only get 2-3 a set it'll soon increase. Also doing such a low rep range will increase your strength.

    If you wanna get good at something do it a lot. I can do 7 more chins within a two week period. I'm well chuffed.
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    Re:Performing Pull-ups? 2011/04/03 22:39:51 (permalink)
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    The one thing I'd say is if you don't carry much mass it is easier to progress on them.  I used to weigh about about 11.5 stone and could easily do 3x10.  Now at 14 stone I could manage about 1x8 (10 maybe) on a good day.
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    Re:Performing Pull-ups? 2011/04/04 10:59:25 (permalink)
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    Years ago when i weighed 11 stone i could do nearly 40 wide arm chin ups in one go.
     
    Now i weigh 14 stone, but i'm stronger, can do lat pulldowns twice my weight but can't do a single chin up, go figure!
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    Re:Performing Pull-ups? 2011/04/05 10:35:54 (permalink)
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    Weighted chin ups for the motherfuuckin win!
    Welshwizards, work on negative pull ups/chin ups etc, jumping up and going down as slow as possible, holding midway if possible. use wraps if needed. Work on heavy lat pull downs and close grip pull downs. Worked for me :)

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    Re:Performing Pull-ups? 2011/04/05 12:09:46 (permalink)
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    Would agree with Shae on this one, you can't get a better back excercise in my opinion, use the negative phase of the excercise to begin with. It's also a good idea for people who can do alot of chins to use good slow negatives.
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