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2008/05/18 20:00:32 (permalink)
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Phera-Plex cycle ok?

Hi Guys

Was going to get Turinabol but couldnt get so got hold of some Phera-Plex, as I wanted an oral cycle That wasnt going to be extremeley harsh how does this look?
Hi Guys
Just looking your advice on my first ever cycle? Im going to run a Turnabol only cylce as follows:

weeks 1 to 3, 20 mg Phera-Plex a day split 10/10(morn,evening with meal) (is one camsule 10mg anybody know?)Week 4 30mg split 20/20 (morn,evening with meal)

pct day1 40mg nolva to be started 2 days before last day of Phera-Plex.
2-7 day 40mg nolva
8-28 day 20mg nolva
Creatine monohydrate along with PCT

Run Liv-52 for liver support 2 caps per day.
Milk Thistle 100mg per day

Opinions greatly appreciated
cheers.
post edited by akhter - 2008/05/18 20:10:08
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    sullivan0785
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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/18 20:16:23 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: akhter

    Hi Guys

    Was going to get Turinabol but couldnt get so got hold of some Phera-Plex, as I wanted an oral cycle That wasnt going to be extremeley harsh how does this look?
    Hi Guys
    Just looking your advice on my first ever cycle? Im going to run a Turnabol only cylce as follows:

    weeks 1 to 3, 20 mg Phera-Plex a day split 10/10(morn,evening with meal) (is one camsule 10mg anybody know?)Week 4 30mg split 20/20 (morn,evening with meal)

    pct day1 40mg nolva to be started 2 days before last day of Phera-Plex.
    2-7 day 40mg nolva
    8-28 day 20mg nolva
    Creatine monohydrate along with PCT

    Run Liv-52 for liver support 2 caps per day.
    Milk Thistle 100mg per day

    Opinions greatly appreciated
    cheers.



    Cycle looks good, Although, I would use much more than 100mg of milk thistle along with your cycle. Try 1000mg-1200mg. Good call on saving the creatine for PCT rather than on cycle

    "Being a man when you don't have to is just a waste of testosterone"

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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/18 20:20:17 (permalink)
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    Cheers mate, What about Tribilus should it be run aswell and if so when? thanks
    post edited by akhter - 2008/05/18 20:39:22
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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/18 20:21:45 (permalink)
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    Whats your height & weight?

    If your under 200lbs i'd suggest taking 1 cap per day for the first few days just to see how your body reacts. But apart from that looks good, im sure you'll be pleased with the results :)

    As for mg per cap thats depends upon brand. Original phera was 10mg but Competitive labs p-plex is 15mg as is phera-vol.
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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/18 20:37:16 (permalink)
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    Hi mate

    Pheraplex is a great compound. As kasabian says, some are 10mg some 15mg (including Competitive Edge Labs' and EST's). Split your dose as you suggest, if using 15mg then perhaps run 30mg ed for four weeks rather than ramping up 15 then 30.

    Advice on pheraplex first cycle amongst others in the article linked below, including nolva pct info, start it on the day after your last phera
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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/18 20:42:18 (permalink)
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    Hi there
    Im 6ft 1.5 and 11st.
    The Phera-plex im getting is Anabolic Extremes if that makes it easier to gage capsule size, was also wandering about running Tribulus for extra back up what you think & if so what sort of dosage when thanks.
    I start the Nova at 60mg on first day after last Pher-plex
    post edited by akhter - 2008/05/18 20:43:36
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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/18 20:48:28 (permalink)
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    Yeah i'd defo cut the doseage to 1 cap for the first few days even the first week - especially if this is your first cycle.

    AX Phera-Plex is 10mg per cap. Lucky boy having a bottle of the original! Ive got 3 bottles original ergomax that ive been saving :)

    Save trib till pct. First nolva dose the day after your last PP cap. Perhaps add some creatine mono into PCT aswell to help keep gains?
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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/18 22:22:02 (permalink)
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    How long have you been training mate? six foot 1.5" and 11 stone sounds pretty skinny to me... i would say add a fair bit more weight naturally before getting on steroids.
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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/21 20:56:37 (permalink)
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    Training Hard for about year & a half but on and off for about 2 years before that.
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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/21 22:06:07 (permalink)
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    no need for gear at those stats

    train for 2 years more with eating in a surplus then look at gear
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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/21 22:19:47 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: theiopener

    no need for gear at those stats

    train for 2 years more with eating in a surplus then look at gear

    Yep.
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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/22 00:04:34 (permalink)
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    What if he started at 7 stone and has put on four stone naturally?

    Just because he's 11 stone doesnt mean he isnt ready.

    I myself was the skiniest lad ever at 15/16 around 7.5 stone at 5'11. Started uni at 8 stone and got my way up to 11.5 stone naturally.

    Im sure if a person who had gone from say 11 to begin with upto 14.5 would be told AAS were fine, yet a person who was naturally smaller boned/skinnier who had gone from 8 to 11.5 would not.

    My natural limit would be around the 12 stone mark, simply because i started of so skinny with extremely high metabolism - and i do mean skinny.

    There seems to be a stance that your not ready until your 14/15/16 stone - yet IMO its where you started and how much you;ve gained naturally, along with bone structure, metabolism etc that determine whether or not you should use AAS.

    I shall go into detail further in my 3-AD log when i start this weekend :)
    post edited by kasabian19 - 2008/05/22 00:05:27
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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/22 07:20:47 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: kasabian19
    What if he started at 7 stone and has put on four stone naturally?

    Just because he's 11 stone doesnt mean he isnt ready.

    I myself was the skiniest lad ever at 15/16 around 7.5 stone at 5'11. Started uni at 8 stone and got my way up to 11.5 stone naturally.

    Im sure if a person who had gone from say 11 to begin with upto 14.5 would be told AAS were fine, yet a person who was naturally smaller boned/skinnier who had gone from 8 to 11.5 would not.

    My natural limit would be around the 12 stone mark, simply because i started of so skinny with extremely high metabolism - and i do mean skinny.

    There seems to be a stance that your not ready until your 14/15/16 stone - yet IMO its where you started and how much you;ve gained naturally, along with bone structure, metabolism etc that determine whether or not you should use AAS.

    I shall go into detail further in my 3-AD log when i start this weekend :)

    Mate at 6'1+ and 11 stone even if hes at 10% that to me is small and indicative of he does not know how to grow off of gear, so what would be the point of going on cycle if you cant grow off cycle?

    As for natural limits, please dont make me laugh, i really do chuckle at people who use this BS excuse to hop on a cycle when TBH you wont even be able to gauge what your natural limit is unless youve been training for over a decade. just because progress slows doesnt mean youre at your natural limit

    The stance for being ready to use is for me personally muscle to height ratio, like i said above it doesn't sound to me like hes found a way to grow without gear yet properly
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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/22 07:47:32 (permalink)
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    This is a pet hate of mine but I am not flaming so don’t take it that way.

    When I was 16 I was around 7 stone at 6 ft.

    When I was 6 I was like 3 stone should I gauge my readiness for a cycle based on this weight? I suppose I if did I could have said I am def ready for a cycle cause at19 I had gained 10 stone naturally.

    Its an extreme I know but I just want to illustrate my point, which is your point does not stand to reason.

    We were not all born 14/15/16 stone!!!!!!!

    The guys are merely looking at someones stats and voicing their opinion upon if that person in their opinion should be looking to grow assisted as opposed to unassisted, which is the whole point of a forum to share knowledge. If you don’t want to hear what more experienced guys think don’t ask.

    9 times out of 10 peoples diets are p*** poor from my experience where they say they can not grow no matter what they do. My first response would be eat between 4-5k cals per day via 5-6 meals and you will soon grow. The response I usually get is:

    “I carnt eat that much!!!!!!!!!”

    If this truly is the case and they can not eat that much then there is no point in using gear to get big cause even on the off chance they put any size on eating around 2,000-2,500 cals per day they will loose it straight away cause you need to eat big to be big its as simple as that. I could never maintain the size I am on 2,000 cals derived from MacDonald’s and pizzas and I certainly did not get to the 14 stone I was before using gear without eating and training.
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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/22 08:48:20 (permalink)
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    Valid points but like Kasabian, I was very very small when I did my first cycle (and I've only done 2) and it shot me up about 9 pounds and I kept it and during that time it helped me adapt to maintaining that sort of size. Bit harsh to judge him on what we've read here ^, though 11 stone at that height IS small. He might finish his cycle and find he knows how to maintain at a bigger size.
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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/22 10:08:15 (permalink)
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    to some people it isnt all about weight its about strength some people dont want to look in the mirror and pose and care about there physical preformance.

    And as anyone will tell you size in not strength his bones tendons etc may dam well be ready for it maybe he dusnt want to be 300lbs but strong and lean as on ox maybe hes just trying to push him self through a plateau and add a bit of weight not everyone wants to be 25 stone of sheer muscle two things no one has bothered to ask ihm what his goals are and age.


    Are you training for a particular sport ?

    What do you want size strength endurance all ?

    Whats your diet like ?

    How old are you ? If you are under 21 then i really would leave gear alone phera super drol testonate 50 m1t sostonol 250 are exactly the same as dianabol etc and should be left well alolne until at least 21 so your bones have stopped growing
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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/22 11:43:58 (permalink)
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    Ed I am not judging him and I am not saying that everyone should fit into a certain weight bracket before they should use I am trying to make a point that more often than not people ask for advice that they don’t want to hear regarding training. They all too often want a quick fix and don’t want to accept that they will need to eat and train right to grow. Im sorry if this sounded like I was focusing too much on the weight aspect I should made this clearer.

    For me some of his post tries to take away the perception that getting big and strong is about preparation of diet and hard work and that its more to do with taking a pill. He states that if someone was 15 stone no one would question there intention to use. This is not true, its not a club you can only be in if you 15 stone, time and time again I see mt members asking about training history, time, diet, age etc etc etc as Geordi John has just done. These questions are to help the mt member to give good solid honest advice. I would not advise someone who was 15 stone with a months worth of training to jump onto SD cause it would just be irresponsible no matter how you look at it. If someone was 15 stone with only 1 months training and a cr*p diet then imagine how big they would be with a good diet and 1 or 2 years under there belt? That would be the better advice to give would it not?

    The same as if someone had been training for 2 years with a good diet but could not get past 12 stone I would then say maybe a cycle is just what he needs.

    The only reason he has posted what he has is down to him being fed up with reading peoples responses that say you’re too small to go assisted. I understand why he is fed up as some members can be a little harsh and I too used to think who you to judge me.

    But by now some form of bell should be ringing or a light bulb appearing above his head. We don’t all sit around laughing and waiting for a newbie to post up and then tell them they are too small or too young to use. Its just we are trying to give good advice that will benefit the member.

    How many cals were you on a day roughly before you cycled? How much are you on now?

    At the end of the day it is ultimately our own decision to make if you opt to go assisted or not and that is your right. All I am trying to say is don’t expect people who have some experience in this field to condone it or tell you what you want to hear.

    As I have said this is not a flame at all and I am not directing this directly at Kasabian its more of a general thing and maybe I got out the wrong side of bed this morning so please no one take this personally.
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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/22 11:48:36 (permalink)
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    fair enough but then again he could just be a 16 yr old kid wanting to know about gear many ofthem where i live to many 16 yr olds 16 stone lads round here

    Thers to many in my gym wish i could talk to them but they wouldnt listen anyway

    It dont matter whta you say to him anyway if hes young and hes going to do it no matter what you tell him he will do it


    So may as well advise as best we can to stop theese kids screwing them selves up
    post edited by geordie_john - 2008/05/22 11:50:45
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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/22 11:57:33 (permalink)
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    Your point about not everyone wants to be huge is a good one and one that is relevant to myself. Personally I train for strength as too much size will be bad for me as my main sport is kick-boxing.

    But undoubtedly I still grow as a result of my diet and training and my strength would also be impaired if I was only eating 2-3k cals per day. I can feel it even if I miss one meal before my training session.

    Very true he will do what he wants but at least as part of the MT community we can steer people in the right direction to achieve their goals. If he is 19 and goes on cycle it wont stop me or anyone else from giving advice to him to make sure he makes the best out of his choice.

    I remember I was the same when I was younger and I got ripped by someone so badly it put me off using them completely. But I still kept reading around the subject and talking to people who do and eventually when I felt I was informed enough and ready I took the plunge.
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    RE: Phera-Plex cycle ok? 2008/05/22 14:29:47 (permalink)
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    i agree i was one of the daftos that done an m1t cycle when i was really young, relised my mistakes and would like to guide others

    i put on 1.5 sotne in 2 weeks with m1t but i lost all and just kinda got fatter


    I know how theese kids feel
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