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2014/12/28 20:28:18 (permalink)
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Policing

I know a few coppers. Nice blokes who do a tough job. However, they all bang on endlessly about government cuts meaning that they can't do their jobs properly and how it's going to get much worse in the next decade or two.
 
There is a wide consensus that police numbers will have to be cut. Met commissioner Bernard Hogan Howe will have to save 1.4bn by the end of the decade and from 2016 it's going to get much harder.  http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/dec/22/police-warning-job-cuts-austerity-labour-officers
 
Does this worry you? If you get burgled or mugged then the chances of the police actually catching and convicting the perpetrator are fairly slim I would imagine. I would also imagine that the bureaucracy involved in bringing such a case is financially eye watering. Can you honestly say that it would make a difference to you if there were far fewer police about and that they literally only dealt with life and death situations because of the lack of resources?
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    chris182
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    Re: 2014/12/28 21:12:23 (permalink)
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    Re: 2014/12/28 21:20:39 (permalink)
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    It worries me that as soon as there are cuts the cops choose to cut the frontline to scare the public while there are sh*tloads of pen pushers in offices all around the country. Preserve self interest at all costs.

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    Re: 2014/12/28 21:24:31 (permalink)
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    Indeed. Like the NHS. Will we see private companies taking over aspects?

     
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    Re: 2014/12/28 21:30:05 (permalink)
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    I think it's virtually guaranteed to happen.
     
    Private security firms being the norm etc. Only the wealthy can be protected from crime and anti social behaviour.
    post edited by Suspirio - 2014/12/28 21:36:08
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    Re: 2014/12/28 21:53:11 (permalink)
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    Mobster
    Indeed. Like the NHS. Will we see private companies taking over aspects?


    I agree Mobster, sadly we already have private companies doing police work,imo there will be a lot more now.
     
    I don't remember saying to the government,cut police numbers so we can all live a little more dangerously,crime is a LOT worse now than 5 years ago,but we can now defend ourselves less through laws introduced.

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    Re: 2014/12/28 21:56:56 (permalink)
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    The Police are under trained and enforce a weak code of Law.
     
    The cuts wont do any real damage really.
     
    London got ripped apart in a massive riots only a few years back.  I wont go into the factual reasons why the two riots started out that snowballed into the mass riot that happened because the PC left wingers on here may get upset, but the police got put well in their place and the capital burned.
     
    The bottom line is that you cannot have under trained Police who have to operate in a Politically correct environment trying to carry a stamp of authority with a weak law code to support it.
     
    Cut the police by 50% IMO and have a small National guard on the streets backed by a code of Law and courts which are credible.
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    Re: 2014/12/28 22:00:45 (permalink)
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    Trident
     
     
    Cut the police by 50% IMO and have a small National guard on the streets backed by a code of Law and courts which are credible.




     
    Agree,good idea tbf mate.it will be needed soon imo.

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    Re: 2014/12/28 22:10:12 (permalink)
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    Either that or vigilante time. Do neighborhood watch committees still exist? Has anyone on here ever been in one? What do they do?
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    Re: 2014/12/28 22:11:16 (permalink)
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    I wouldn't have a huge problem with cops focusing resources on "life and death" situations if laws in the EU didn't completely castrate honest people who want to protect themselves. I wouldn't bother wasting the cops' time if I when a burglar breaks into my home I could just cave his face in with a crowbar without fear of legal backlash.
     
    This is something I definitely believe the yanks have gotten right. A dead or seriously injured crook is preferable to an innocent victim, if they don't want to take that chance they shouldn't be robbing people.
    post edited by Uriel - 2014/12/28 22:13:59
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    Re: 2014/12/28 22:26:05 (permalink)
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    Suspirio
    Either that or vigilante time. Do neighborhood watch committees still exist? Has anyone on here ever been in one? What do they do?


    There was a group around where i live in Birmingham,they had a red light district in their mist,all associated problems like druggies.piss heads etc etc, police were unable to stop it,
     
    So they became a vigilante group of residents protecting their street and patrolling it every night in turn. (ethnic minorities i may add) ie stick together.
     
    Just 2 months later, clean crime free streets in that area,something to learn here imo.
     
    Trouble is people don't look after each other any more,if it doesn't hit them they just don't care sadly.

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    Re: 2014/12/28 22:31:22 (permalink)
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    IMO police are poorly trained as it is.
    I mean i saw a video this morning of a policer officer being approached sat in an unmarked police car using a speed gun. When confronted with the fact they had to be clearly identified she said 'Im wearing high vis' yes but your sat in a black focus... then they just drove of. Things like this need addressing. Surely th epolice should know the law inside out.
    Also the only copper i know is a nob. Always talks to you like he is better than you. Its proberly like every career tho for every good gut theres one you want to slap with a fish :)
     

     
     
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    Re: 2014/12/28 22:43:20 (permalink)
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    And the Government still borrowed £14,100,000,000 last month.
    The kind of cuts needed to balance the books would have everyone in this country feeling like it's a third world one.
     
     
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    Re: 2014/12/28 22:52:32 (permalink)
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    And the Government still borrowed £14,100,000,000 last month.
    The kind of cuts needed to balance the books would have everyone in this country feeling like it's a third world one.



    That's the really scary thing that nobody wants to talk about.
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    Re: 2014/12/28 23:21:17 (permalink)
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    And the Government still borrowed £14,100,000,000 last month.
    The kind of cuts needed to balance the books would have everyone in this country feeling like it's a third world one.
     
     


    Well one way or another its going to happen sooner or later. Every Prime Minister will just hope it doesn't come on his watch.

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    Re: 2014/12/28 23:46:34 (permalink)
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    I'm more worried about NHS cuts and privitisation.

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    Re: 2014/12/29 00:01:25 (permalink)
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    I have worked as a contractor in the NHS. I cannot speak for the clinical side of things but in the non clinical side of things the waste that I saw was astonishing. I cannot honestly see how privatisation of non clinical services could make it worse. It is the fact that they have access to public money that prevents the true scandal of waste in the NHS from coming out.
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    Re: 2014/12/30 06:54:33 (permalink)
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    I think it's virtually guaranteed to happen.
     
    Private security firms being the norm etc. Only the wealthy can be protected from crime and anti social behaviour.




    How will this work in public areas though?
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    Re: 2014/12/30 07:06:37 (permalink)
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    Suspirio
    I think it's virtually guaranteed to happen.



    Definitely. If you southern puffs vote in the tories and/or UKIP next year, anyway.
     

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    Re: 2014/12/30 08:13:21 (permalink)
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    I think it's virtually guaranteed to happen.
     
    Private security firms being the norm etc. Only the wealthy can be protected from crime and anti social behaviour.




    How will this work in public areas though?




    It won't. The masses will largely be left to their own devices. Natural selection Mad Max style. Some parts of the country are not far from that already.
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