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2009/08/02 21:52:50 (permalink)
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Primo or Masteron?

Im chilling off for a while and then im going to do a powerful lean bulking cycle 500mg of Test pw is not the same as it used to be. I will have the diet etc nailed when i next go "on" so dont be telling me to keep at the same test dose and change my diet.
 
I was thinking of 12 weeks of:
750mg Omnadren
700mg Primo/Masteron Enanthate
100mg Anavar ed
Proviron 50mg ed
 
Anyone done something similar?
 
What would be best, Primo or Mast? Dont fancy shooting 10 ml a week and would have to if using Primo as its only 100mg/ml and the double strength stuff is a killer so wouldnt use that.
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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/02 22:03:49 (permalink)
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    HONESTLY

    i dont think you will like the answer, with out putting you down at all mate its same for anyone there REALLY is no need for meds like primo/mast unless your bodyfat is already very low. the expense and pain and faffing about is totaly un-neccesary.

    on the plus side if you REALLY do sort your diet and drop the reccy drugs a simple test cycle will work like it never has done before for you.
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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/02 22:06:43 (permalink)
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    Primo based on the other meds you're wishing to use.


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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/02 22:46:54 (permalink)
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    HONESTLY

    i dont think you will like the answer, with out putting you down at all mate its same for anyone there REALLY is no need for meds like primo/mast unless your bodyfat is already very low. the expense and pain and faffing about is totaly un-neccesary.

    on the plus side if you REALLY do sort your diet and drop the reccy drugs a simple test cycle will work like it never has done before for you.


    I know exactly what your saying mate but i have tried Test only cycles etc but just prefer to stack with other compounds. Its kinda like getting used to nice fresh food and then changing back to processed ham on bread.. it just wouldnt tickle your tastebuds.
     
    I know im not massively advanced as only 15 stone and not that cut but when im on im usually very good with diet and dont do reccy drugs etc. The last one was too long and i couldnt remain focused the whole time but ive learned from that and will stick to 12 weekers max now.
     
    I believe that Primo/Var/Mast/Tren/Winny etc all have benefits whether your really low bf % or not, sure its better to use at very low bf but there are many other reasons one would opt to stack with one of them apart from vascularity.
     
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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/02 23:10:22 (permalink)
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    I'm just using Mast now instead of Deca, looking to trim down instead of continuing to bulk (gained 21lbs already). Mast does reportedly have the hardening up effects etc which come into play with a lower bodyfat but it will still 'work' at a higher bodyfat. Obviously everyone will have their own opinions on this and maybe on MT the general opinion is Mast for lower bodyfats but this isn't the same on all forums. I was advised by a few people on UGM to consider Masteron.

    I will say though, as far as I know, Masteron isn't known for adding on a great deal of mass. I don't think you got on too well with EQ right? I take it Deca is a no no as you want to stay lean. Have you thought about NPP? It'll mean jabbing 3 times a week but it'll give very nice mass gains without the bloat of deca. From your list I would choose Primo but you highlight a major concern which is the amount of oil you need to be injecting. The 200mg/ml would solve this but as you say the pain from this concentration is meant to be pretty bad. Primo also isn't the cheapest med. I've just finished deca now and I've thoroughly enjoyed it, strength has gone through the roof, added on massive amounts of mass (fair amount of fat and water to be fair). Running Letro now which is controlling the water so not sure if that's an option for you?

    Also have you considered tren?
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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/02 23:29:53 (permalink)
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    Agreed about Mast being usefull, i have used on a bulk for its anti oestrogen properties and it came up trumps and kept the water off to a certian extent.

    Eq well im not really sure about this med it didnt blow my socks off but then again its not supposed to is it id probably choose other meds instead.

    NPP would be an option i could drop the Primo/Mast and shoot 1 Omna and 100mg NPP eod I know this will bring the Test up to 875mg pw which is a high dose but i think im ready to experiment like that. Maybe i could drop the Var too.

    Not a big fan of Tren as ive got a temper on me and i have to manage people on a day to day basis, last time i took it it effected me too much.
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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/02 23:32:06 (permalink)
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    One thing to add, ive steered clear of Nandralones for ages as the only time ive had Acne properly off gear was of a Sus and Deca cycle NPP is the same compound but i may see how i go with it.

    Good shout for NPP ive heard its good
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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/02 23:50:18 (permalink)
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    Well I had no acne from NPP mate but on the Deca I've got a moderate amount which I'm having to control using wipes on my back every night. There those proper gear spots which are like a little bruise lol. NPP for me was completely different to deca, I got no strength from it at all but just got a very nice increase in size. I know people say it's not the ester it's the diet, I don't really know I don't know enough to comment but diet isn't majorly different this time around but it reacts completely differently in my body.

    I know, again on MT, approaching the 1g mark of test is considered very high and frowned upon but again personally I don't think it's majorly bad. You will of course get people saying they got to contest condition on just 500mg/pw test and say it's a stupid dose but ultimately it's your choice and if you feel comfortable doing it I'd just go with it. I like to get a mix of opinions from people on forums and in real life and come to some sort of middle ground when making my decision. Whether people lie on forums or not I don't know but from what people say in the gym the doses used are generally much higher than what people say on forums.

    I'm no expert though and get criticised a lot for what I say and do so by all means go with what others say. I just think you'll be better off listening to your body, understanding what you can get away with and going for it.
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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/03 00:21:25 (permalink)
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    Yeah i know exactly what your saying mate the only true way to get an indication of how something will work is by trying it.
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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/03 10:31:35 (permalink)
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    500mg Test
    400mg Tren    

    Massive overkill still but hey, you don't listen to crack on. Good cycle above.
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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/03 12:33:24 (permalink)
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    Like i said Tren isnt really an option at the moment due to the sides it gives me
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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/03 13:20:45 (permalink)
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    I ran 400 Test E and 400 Mast E as part of a cut and it worked really well considering i used higher doses of test in previous cycles... I think what your initial plan would be spot on but maybe drop the mast down to 500 becasue i don't think it will make a great difference effects wise... The var will be a nice touch and will work well with the mast i think..

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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/03 16:08:37 (permalink)
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    how about 500mg test pw with a real strict diet and lots of cardio?
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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/03 17:42:30 (permalink)
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    arnold84

    how about 500mg test pw with a real strict diet and lots of cardio?


    Thats what i thought.
     
    Anything over that is serious over kill for your size
     
    irrispective of the fact you have taken more in the past
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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/03 19:07:44 (permalink)
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    what size is he

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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/03 20:12:13 (permalink)
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    Im 6ft 15 stone with 17 inch biceps so not small by any means.
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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/03 20:16:51 (permalink)
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    well im 6ft 4 at 16 and a half stone and 500mg test e in the past has been pretty pap tbh, but then again i did train for strength at the time

    started at 68kg
    PB,s
    bench: 170kg 3 reps cg 155kg single
    deadlift: 5 reps 245kg 1RM 260kg @knee height
    squat: 200 kg 2 reps
    clean and press 100kg 2 rep 110 1RM
    weight:108kg bf 14%~
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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/03 21:20:05 (permalink)
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    If you cant grow on 500mg of test pw maybe you need a long break off aas?
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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/03 21:23:49 (permalink)
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    arnold84

    If you cant grow on 500mg of test pw maybe you need a long break off aas?


    that was one off my first cycle,s but as i said i trained for strength at the time, its only recently that ive seeked mass as the main objective

    started at 68kg
    PB,s
    bench: 170kg 3 reps cg 155kg single
    deadlift: 5 reps 245kg 1RM 260kg @knee height
    squat: 200 kg 2 reps
    clean and press 100kg 2 rep 110 1RM
    weight:108kg bf 14%~
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    Re:Primo or Masteron? 2009/08/03 21:29:20 (permalink)
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    leerc

    arnold84

    If you cant grow on 500mg of test pw maybe you need a long break off aas?


    that was one off my first cycle,s but as i said i trained for strength at the time, its only recently that ive seeked mass as the main objective

    sorry leerc that wasnt aimed at you, my apologies
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